Anyanka said

Boleyn said

Sharon said

Boleyn said

This is slightly off the topic, but it does involve Mary. As we all know Henry re-instated by an act of Parliament that both Mary and Elizabeth would rule if Edward died without Male issue. When Eddy was dying Northumberland persuaded him to disinherit both Mary and Elizabeth and name Jane Grey as his heir instead.. Was that order verified by Parliament? Mary as we know issued an act of Parliament in 1554? overturning the great divorce etc and going to a lot of trouble too of getting herself as the only legitimate heir to H8 crown, and thus bastardizing Elizabeth again. Did Mary actually name Elizabeth as her heir when she knew she was dying?
I find it strange that although Mary overturned the great divorce etc. she didn’t appear to overturn H8 1544 Act of Parliament. Or did she?
However it was the 1544 act that gave Elizabeth the right to the throne, despite Mary QOS and Philip of Spain’s claims to the contrary.

Boleyn,
No, the order was not verified by Parliament. Northumberland was going to have Parliament give it the okay when next they met, which I think was to be in September. Edward died in July. Mary did not overturn the 1544 Act of Parliament. I don’t think Mary actually named Elizabeth as her successor. She followed her Father’s desires. Directly after Mary’s death, the coronation ring was taken to Elizabeth.

Thank you Sharon…
Mary was a really complex charater, the more I read about her, the more I just don’t get her. She seemed to have a love/hate relationship with Elizabeth. Again this is another part of Mary I don’t get.. Lady Jane Grey was a threat for sure, but Elizabeth was the greater threat as she was next in line per the 1544 act. Why execute Jane? Yes I know Renard tried all he could to get Mary to execute Elizabeth, but he later changed his mind.
Why? Did Philip love Mary? How did Philip feel towards Elizabeth?

Personally, I don’t think Philip loved either Mary or Elizabeth. he played the loving consort to Mary, partly because his father Charles, Mary’s cousin Carlos, wanted the alliance with England and partly to further his own desires of French conquests.

IMO, Elizabeth was seen by the Spanish as the default heir due to her supposed illegitimacy and the various acts of Parliment enshrined during H8’s reign. I am of the opinion that several Spanish ambassadors thought she was as easy a touch as Mary was and would fall in line with the pre-eminant power of the era simply because they had no concept of Elizabeth’s education and real feelings because she was an expert at hiding her essential self.

Totally agree Anyanka.. I do believe Philip saw Elizabeth, as some sort of dumbo, after all this was in an age where woman were woman were seen as commodities, not as equals etc. I believe Elizabeth did play the subserviant roll during Mary’s lifetime basically so she could keep her head.
Yes I believe Philip neither loved or cared either for Mary or Elizabeth, to him they were just the holder of the bank balance, and if he had to marry them to get his hands on that money then so be it. When Elizabeth came to the throne he knew that she would play hard to get and he was prepared for that, but equally so he underestimated Elizabeth, and she soon showed him who was boss.

Tash, I loved both of the Cate movies. Yes, they were romanticized, but I think they kept her character true. That’s the impression I have, anyway. Elizabeth had a real flair for opulent ‘dressing to impress’ and the movies certainly got that across.
Phillip was really nothing more than a heretic-burning-money-grabbing gigolo. He would have never stood a chance with Elizabeth. She was much more of a ‘man’ than he was.
On the other hand, I finally watched Anonymous. I don’t even know where to begin.

Being new to this site, I’ll probably post where I’m not supposed to, so please bear with me. I’m enjoying reading the posts here and am learning a great deal about the Boleyn Family. I recently viewed the video on YouTube; BBC Production of the Phillippa Gregory novel “The Other Boleyn Girl”; in which they presented the possibility that George and Anne had a sexual incounter in order to possibly give Anne the chance to produce a “male” heir. This is the first time I’ve learned about that theory. I just read a post here which talks about the possibility that George may have been “gay”. That too was a new surprise for me.
From limited research, I believe my family has direct connections with that of the Boleyns, which gives me greater incentive to continue reading and researching into this possibility. Once again, I’m so glad I have found this site. I’m 70 years old, so I don’t have much time left to do research, so, I’ve GOT TO GET CRACKING!!