Mya Elise said

Oh no, we all know this here trust me. After Anne had Elizabeth (not the prince Henry wanted) I think that’s when everything started to go downhill, Henry started cheating and caring less and less about Anne. Then Anne got pregnant again and that didn’t go full term which added more fuel to the flame, and another failed pregnancy was it for him. He saw that it was the same situation with Anne as it was with Katherine, no sons just dead babies and a daughter. It’s not like it was her fault anyways because i’m sure if she had control of it she’d have 10 sons, as would Katherine. But Henry didn’t care, he then saw Jane who’s family was told to be very fertile and she was everything he wanted and needed in a new wife, she was soft spoken, she obeyed, and she didn’t back talk and stick up for herself like Anne did. So Henry had to find a way to be rid of Anne and thus from there Anne was already dead just not offically. I think it was more of Cromwell’s idea though to have Anne executed, he probably came up with the idea to dig up the ‘Anne cheating’ rumors and Anne being a witch and bewitching Henry and use it against her. Henry and everyone knew the people of England didn’t like Anne what so ever so that was used against her too. I don’t fully understand why they brought Anne’s brother into the equation, just because they hugged each other that meant they were incestuous? But that didn’t matter as long as they had people to lie for them then everything would work out. I think Anne was blind sided.

Hi!
The only reason I mention old Cromwell was because Wolsey had already been banned, and Cromwell hated Anne for being responsible. I thought it disgusting how Anne’s brother, George, was drawn into it also. Same with Mark Smeaton, tortured into a false confession, promised to be spared if he testified against her… guess the poor guy had no idea it would be too dangerous for the ‘hierarchy’ if he was allowed to live.
There ia site that is asking for Anne’s ‘pardon” … personally, I think the term should be exonerated, since she committed no actual crime.
Good to hear from you, and thank you for your reply 🙂

Claire-Louise said

It’s awful the way people go about nowadays calling Anne a ‘wh*re’ when they have never even made any effort to research Anne and the extremity of the false accusations made about her ( I remember reading in Ives that she would have had to be in two places at once to have commited the adultery she was accused of).

I’m in my first year of uni and didn’t get to chose my flat mates this year……..and I happened to be placed with one of those extreme Anne Boleyn haters (we’ve all met them ) and she even went as far as to accuse me of being a ‘wh*re’ when I said that I thought Anne was an incredible intellegent and brave woman who was falsely accused. Apparently the only reason I defend her is because i’m as bad as her it would be laughable if it didn’t annoy me so much.

How absurd that your roomie should call you a ‘wh*re’ just because you admire Anne Boleyn. I, too, agree that Anne was intelligent and brave. Personally, I think the only so-called ‘crime’ she committed was that of wanting to be named Queen as the only condition of marrying Henry! In fact, for being falsely labeled a ‘wh*re’, history reveals that she wanted nothing to do with bedding with him, as she knew her sister Mary was already carrying Henry’s baby, and was of no further use to him.
In fact, I also read in historical books that Anne was very benevolent, and did much for charitable efforts in her day. Some ‘wh*re’ indeed! You should laugh in your roomie’s face; seems she has a lot of growing up to do.

Janet said

I think the reason George was brought into it was to make Anne seem even more despicable to the people. Adultery was bad, but incest was worse. Just part of the Henry/Cromwell smear campaign. Even people with a small amount of Tudor knowledge from history class in high school and who don’t know anything else will tell you that Anne committed incest and adultery and was beheaded for it. They know she had a ‘trial’ and was found guilty, so it all must be true. They don’t question it because it’s ‘history’. The smear campaign was certainly effective!

Yes, unfortunately, history has often been doctored to make things look better or worse than they really were.
Anne was set up from the outset, IMO…and so was George, as well as Mark Smeaton, and all the others condemned to die for the imaginary crime Cromwell and Henry concocted.
Smear campaigns are a treacherous thing.