I think that there is speculation about whether Jane Boleyn, nee Parker, and George Rochford had a child, but most sources agree that they didn't. They were rarely together and got along infamously; she testified against him and Anne.

Yes, it is sad that is forgotten. I've seen a few books on him, but they're much rarer than the ones on Anne and Mary. The reason for Anne being more prominent is obvious, but why Mary over George, I wonder? Maybe because Mary's story is more engaging, good ground for an exciting romantic novel. On my bookshelf I have Jane Boleyn by Julia Fox, a well-known biography about George's wife. I'm really excited to read it, to know what the author thinks: was Jane victictive and evil (after all, she did condemn her own husband and sister-in-law) or a good person whose true intentions were lost in history? This has got me thinking, though–I'm going to look all this up!!

I live in Ireland and Clonony  castle is near a town called Birr (we joke that it is the coldest place in Ireland!) From what I know, it was once part of the Ormond estate and was bought by an interested couple from the US and is being renovated. I am not sure of the connection to the Boleyn side other than the Boleyn's claim to the Ormond title. I know someone from that area who tells me, coincidentally that he is related to the Tudors, through the Welsh side, once he explained it to me, I got lost…

He has a keen interest in history and has just recently entered the digital age and has visited here, I do believe. He has a keen interest in Kilkenny Castle which was the home of the Butlers of Ormond. I have visited Kilkenny castle, where there is a recently discovered parchment with the Butler Family Tree on it. Anne Boleyn is mentioned on it. I will talk to my friend about Clonony castle and it is not too far away to make a visit and see for myself.

@ Boleynfan and AnnetheQueene Check out Claire's review of Julia Fox's book.  I read it and it's pretty much pure conjecture.  “We have no idea what happened, so maybe it played out like this.”  If that's all someone can do with the sources about Jane Boleyn, there's probably less information out there about George.  I rather like the idea that these could be his descendants-after all as ipaud says, it's former Ormond land and George was noted for his womanizing, so they could be his illegitimate progeny.  Perhaps HollyDolly has discovered something that will be in future Tudor history books!

Boleynfan said:Ohh, the book on Jane Boleyn doesn't sound so prospective after all now. Thanks for the heads-up, Melissa. In regard to the descendants being George's, he was a ladies' man like you said, and there were definite rumors about children with other women than Jane. Plus, what if the reason Jane betrayed George and Anne was because of George's infidelity and possibly illegitimate children?

That would make sense because I've always wondered what that woman's motives were!  And I've read the Julia Fox book and a lot of it is conjecture, i just don't think there's enough info on Jane Boleyn to warrant a full biography.  But for the events surrounding her life, it's not a bad read.  No particular mention (that I recall – it's been a while since I read it!) of George having any illegitimate children though.  And that's the thing – a lot of people have said he was a womanizer but no one has given any hard evidence of that fact, no one has identified any lady of the court as being his mistress for instance.  But the descendants names are very intriguing!

BTW – Julia Fox has a new book on Catherine of Aragon coming out early next year.

Just came across this, haven't had time to look into it but notice is says cousin-german?!  Have to get going but will be back tomorrow!

http://archiver.rootsweb.ances…..0983345366

but near the entrance is a limestone flag of greater interest than
either of these things, for it bears this inscription:
Hereunder leys Elizabeth and Mary Bullyn daughter of
Thomas Bullyn Son of George Bullyn the son of George
Bullyn Viscount Rochford son of Thomas Bullyn Erle
of Ormond and Wilisheer.
I have already mentioned. that Anne Boleyn had family ties with the
Ormondes, and these two women who lie asleep at Clonony were second cousins
of Queen Elizabeth, and grand-daughters of that George Boleyn who was
cousin-german of the tragic Anne herself. It seems likely that these poor
girls fled to Ireland from the wrath of the bloodthirsty Bluff King Hal, who
attainted their whole family after his queen's head had fallen.

I am planning to go visit at Clonony castle on Sunday as its just 2 hours drive for me. I know the fustration of trying to gleam information from the internet and it does not come up, so let me know what you want me to look for? I know that the castle is privately owned, that might restrict the available information. The orginisation responsible for the preservation of public buildings in Ireland is the OPW (Office of Public Works), this might be an interesting site for history seekers to delve into. I don't think that there will be too much if anything on this castle, but none the less interesting.

heres the link;

http://www.nationalarchives.ie…..W/opw.html

I read that the castle is for sale ( a bargain at €595,000) on this link;

Castle for Sale in Ireland: Clonony Castle « Medievalists.net

The usual rules apply, if anyone on the AB files buys Clonony Castle, I am invited to the house warming and expect me to “drop in” often

I will of course try to gleam as much information as I possibly can about the castle and will tell them of our interest here. 

Heres the Wikipedia for the castle;

Clonony – Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I will take plenty of pictures and put them up on FB.

ipaud said:

I am planning to go visit at Clonony castle on Sunday as its just 2 hours drive for me. I know the fustration of trying to gleam information from the internet and it does not come up, so let me know what you want me to look for? I know that the castle is privately owned, that might restrict the available information. The orginisation responsible for the preservation of public buildings in Ireland is the OPW (Office of Public Works), this might be an interesting site for history seekers to delve into. I don't think that there will be too much if anything on this castle, but none the less interesting.

heres the link;

http://www.nationalarchives.ie…..W/opw.html

I read that the castle is for sale ( a bargain at €595,000) on this link;

Castle for Sale in Ireland: Clonony Castle « Medievalists.net

The usual rules apply, if anyone on the AB files buys Clonony Castle, I am invited to the house warming and expect me to “drop in” often

I will of course try to gleam as much information as I possibly can about the castle and will tell them of our interest here. 

Heres the Wikipedia for the castle;

Clonony – Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I will take plenty of pictures and put them up on FB.

I can't wait to hear about your visit there!  I have looked online at the castle and boy do I wish I could buy it, or any castle for that matter, lol.

I know I for one would like a picture of the actual slab/burial site we have been discussing (not just the plaque) but that may not be able to be seen anymore.  My main interest is seeing if this family is from our George (as the slab suggests) or a distant cousin George and how this family came to be at that castle.  I am also interested in the Birr Castle, Clere family connection as I am thinking that just may be the missing link.; maybe our George had a child with someone of the Clere family in other words, and their child stayed with the mother at Clonony and therefore generations after stayed there as well.  Did our Thomas arrange that for his “grandson's” family, after the death of George, since this castle was said to be his (still no documentation on that).  Just fun little questions roaming through my mind … I like puzzles!