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Could Cromwell's execution have been payback for Anne?
May 1, 2010
1:25 am
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scarlettt
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I tend to think that Henry believed the charges against Anne in the beginning..at least to some degree.. and allowed himself to be carried away by the whole mess.

That was a different time and by our standards, religious fanaticism and paranoia of the unknown (i.e. witchcraft) ran rampant. Imagine the negative conjecture constantly being whispered about Anne in those days, which surely the king was privy to some of. How many years of rumors must he have brushed off before some of the propaganda finally wore on him?
Perhaps much like the Catherine Howard situation,  intel was brought to him about the queen which at first he was not inclined to believe but ordered that it be looked further into… and that was when “trusted”advisers used the opportunity to smear her.

In the years following.. after the fervor of speculation died down..what if Henry began to suspect that his fears had been played upon by Cromwell, via the charges against his former wife.
I can't help but wonder if the blunder of the Cleves marriage didn't have an almost subconscious stirring up of the mess with Ann B,…. triggering resentful suspicions that all along Cromwell was meddling in Henry's personal life to further his own agenda. After all, it wasn't as if Cromwell had the power to *force* Henry to marry her, ultimately it was his own choice. I guess what I'm trying to say is that Henry seemed to have a rather extreme reaction towards Cromwell over A.O.C.
If he felt he had received poor council, at any time he could have just stripped his power and banished him.

H8 in some ways strikes me as having a child like aversion to anyone he came to believe was attempting to manipulate his life or pulling strings to control him. I also think he had deep issues with betrayal. Many people over the years certainly fell out of favor w/ the king, but surely not all of them died. It seems that many of those who knew Henry on a very personal level and did die, shared a common thread. Betrayal, or an imagined one.

May 1, 2010
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Hmm, interesting point, scarlett. He certainly regretted Cromwell's death, when he had to replace him and realized how much and how well Cromwell had been handling things. He certainly wouldn't have, IMO, publicly lamented killing Anne, as that could have been construed as slighting Jane and Edward. It was one thing to lament divorcing Katharine and saying he wished he could do it over again (when Katharine was conveniently dead and the point moot), when he was blaming Anne for everything, but he wouldn't then reverse himself about Anne. He was looking ridiculous enough already.

It might have been a combination of his increasingly violent temper (he physically struck Cromwell on occasions), the length of time it had taken to find a new wife and the ego bruising of finding out he wasn't desirable and of having to settle for someone much less grand than he hoped (so now he's feeling sorry for himself – never good!), along with finding Anne of Cleves unattractive, finding out the political situation had changed and the marriage really wasn't as useful as it had seemed, facing more public humiliation from abroad as he gets rid of yet another wife (which he tried to avoid by going through with the marriage), etc. I think it was telling that there was never a mention of another foreign bride. His ego couldn't take more rejection. But since karma's a bitch, he got the humiliation from his next (English) wife, anyway. Couldn't have happened to a nicer guy. [/sarcasm]

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May 1, 2010
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Scarlett, I think this could be a possibility.  I agree with Impish that he would've never publicly lamented Anne's death, but maybe he did think that Cromwell had gotten too involved in every aspect of his life.  Maybe he was paranoid about a betrayal from Cromwell…

May 2, 2010
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I agree with Impish Impulse and HannahL – good point indeed, Scarlett!

Part of Henry's problem was that he knew Cromwell had the goods on him, and if he feared Cromwell would betray him, which was something Cromwell's enemies surely played up on, he was probably afraid of what Cromwell would tell ALL of England. They didn't have gossip rags or tell all books, but Cromwell could probably have written a book to put Christina Crawford's “Mommie Dearest” to shame.

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