Avatar
Please consider registering
guest
sp_LogInOut Log Insp_Registration Register
Register | Lost password?
Advanced Search
Forum Scope


Match



Forum Options



Minimum search word length is 3 characters - maximum search word length is 84 characters
sp_Feed Topic RSSsp_TopicIcon
Henry Percy
November 8, 2011
10:39 am
Avatar
Mya Elise
Ohio,US
Member
Members
Forum Posts: 781
Member Since:
May 16, 2011
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

What do you think their relationship was exactly? Or what was the extent of it?…

 

Personally, i can't come to a conclusion. Maybe it was like in 'Anne of a thousand days', they were in love and wanted to marry then Henry weaved himself in because he decided he wanted Anne now. Or maybe they flirted and then when Henry & Anne were together rumors came up to kind of push Anne away. Honestly i don't know what to think on this one, what is everyone else's thoughts?

• Grumble all you like, this is how it’s going to be.

December 20, 2011
6:07 am
Avatar
Claire-Louise
UK
Member
Members
Forum Posts: 256
Member Since:
March 26, 2011
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

I don't know either. I always think that if they were in love like in 'Anne of the Thousand days' then how sad, and what a shame that their happiness was ruined! I remember watching one of David Starkey's documentaries, I think it was 'In the Mind of A Tyrant' and he claimed that Percy was present at Anne's trial and that he fainted on hearing the verdict…thus suggesting he was rather fond of her.

December 20, 2011
10:12 am
Avatar
Mya Elise
Ohio,US
Member
Members
Forum Posts: 781
Member Since:
May 16, 2011
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

It is sad. If Anne and Henry were in love and Henry VIII ended it because he wanted her then it kind of really sucks. To be taken away from someone you have feelings for just cause someone else likes you. Just shows Henry's selfishness.

• Grumble all you like, this is how it’s going to be.

December 20, 2011
8:06 pm
Avatar
Anyanka
La Belle Province
Member
Members
Forum Posts: 2333
Member Since:
November 18, 2010
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

I'm not sure either…

 

on one hand Percy was the next duke of Northumberland and as such would have had money and power and possibly a better match then James Ormonde

 

On the other he was still under both his father's and Wolsey's thumbs….

 

From what I've read Anne enjoyed the dance of flirting..possibly she thought she could extract Henry P from his elders and make a life with him  close to the centre of power, the court rather than the more primitive north of England.

It's always bunnies.

December 21, 2011
11:31 am
Avatar
Sharon
Binghamton, NY
Member
Members
Forum Posts: 2114
Member Since:
February 24, 2010
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

Mya-Elise. said:

It is sad. If Anne and Henry were in love and Henry VIII ended it because he wanted her then it kind of really sucks. To be taken away from someone you have feelings for just cause someone else likes you. Just shows Henry's selfishness.

Hi Mya,

This love affair happened in 1523. I may have to change my opinion as to Henry’s involvement in this breakup. I know Cavendish said that Henry interferred, but Wolsey is the one who told this to Percy. It seems Wolsey and Percy’s father did not want the couple to be together. Wolsey contacted the Earl who came to get his son.  The Earl wanted his son to marry Mary Talbot. Wolsey did not think Anne was good enough for Percy.

 I’m not sure Henry knew anything about this.  Wolsey would use Henry’s name when he thought it would help win his arguments. (ie when Wolsey said Henry had other plans for Anne.) Wolsey may have been referring to the Ormond negotiations which were stalling out partly because of inaction. If all of this took place in 1523, Henry was very much involved in his affair with Mary Boleyn.  As far as I know, Henry had yet to notice Anne.  But I agree with you, Henry was selfish! 

By the time of Anne’s trial, Percy was a sick man. He died a year later. He did pass out after her verdict was read, but it is hard to say whether it was because of his strong feeling for Anne, or due to his illness. How sad if he had been in love with her all of his life and had to pronounce her guilty at her trial knowing it meant her death.  Do you think she may have been the love of his life?  It’s hard to know for sure, but he did become a very embittered man at the end.   Cry

December 22, 2011
12:39 pm
Avatar
Bella44
New Zealand
Member
Members
Forum Posts: 933
Member Since:
January 9, 2010
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

Maybe Anne was the love of his life – it certainly wasn't his wife.  I always think how awful it must have been for him to sit in on her trail and say she was guilty.  And I'm sure something like that would've played on his conscience, maybe even hastening his end. 

December 23, 2011
8:26 pm
Avatar
Mya Elise
Ohio,US
Member
Members
Forum Posts: 781
Member Since:
May 16, 2011
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

Wonder if this Henry thought she was guilty?….

• Grumble all you like, this is how it’s going to be.

Forum Timezone: Europe/London
Most Users Ever Online: 214
Currently Online:
Guest(s) 1
Top Posters:
Anyanka: 2333
Boleyn: 2285
Sharon: 2114
Bella44: 933
DuchessofBrittany: 846
Mya Elise: 781
Member Stats:
Guest Posters: 1
Members: 425807
Moderators: 0
Admins: 1
Forum Stats:
Groups: 1
Forums: 13
Topics: 1681
Posts: 22777
Newest Members:
suki60, WaverlyScott, Edwards Harlie, laylataylor, King1Landyn
Administrators: Claire: 958