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How long did Henry love Anne?
October 23, 2011
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Mya Elise
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*Okay so i was watching Anne of a thousand days for the thousandth time and ideas popped into my head*

 

My theory is Henry saw a new and exciting woman (also very pretty) and wanted her. At first it's obviously all he wanted was a new 'mistress' and when denied wanted it even more. I think it was an obsessive love but still love nonetheless. I know he was in love with Anne the whole time he courted her and the beginning of the marriage but when did Henry actually start to fall out of love? Or did he ever stop loving Anne? It seems impossible that someone would up and murder someone they love or loved just because a newer less exciting girl comes along and promises sons but won't open her legs. Henry was a smart man, right? So why would Henry believe Jane after everything that went on with his previous wives? Anne promised sons, so why is it different for Jane? Henry (you'd think) would be hestitate or skeptical,right?….

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October 24, 2011
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Think that's the million dollar question, lol!

In all honesty I don't know. I think he was sick of her even before the birth of Elizabeth so as to how long did Henry love Anne I couldn't say. Did Henry love Anne at all?, did Henry know what love was?…..all he was interested in was a living son.

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October 24, 2011
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I think Henry had a rather obsessive love for Anne, one that wasn't entirely healthy.  I also think he loved her in his own warped way right up until he believed she was guilty of adultery and then that obsession turned into a raging hate in the blink of an eye.

Maybe it was different for Jane because Henry believed god was against both his previous marriages.  There was no impediment to him marrying Jane as there had been with KOA (her previous marriage to Arthur) and Anne (him having an affair with Mary Boleyn).  And god obviously thought marriage with Jane was a good thing as it was blessed with a son!

October 26, 2011
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I do think Henry loved Anne but not it the right way. I think Henry was so obsessed with her in the beginning that it turned into a very unhealthy love, not entirely on Anne's part but definately on Henry's. I think he didn't love her at first, just lusted her, then she bascially gave him an ultimatium which was “I'll only sleep with you if i married to you” and Henry just went crazy with that idea and had to do everything possible to get KOA away and he tried every cruel thing possible like seperating Mary & Katherine etc etc. Then i think he did love her, he was so much in love with her that nothing else matter than marrying her. I'm certain Anne loved Henry too but maybe it was after she knew he loved her and didn't just think of her as a 'good lay'. She wanted to know that in the end she wouldn't look like a fool who fell for the King's game. I admire her so much for that.

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October 26, 2011
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Mya-Elise. said:

I'm certain Anne loved Henry too but maybe it was after she knew he loved her and didn't just think of her as a 'good lay'. She wanted to know that in the end she wouldn't look like a fool who fell for the King's game. I admire her so much for that.

 

I totally agree with this – I think you've hit the nail on the head!  It's one of the reasons I admire Anne too; that curiously modern streak she seemed to possess – she had to be certain that the man she was going to marry loved her for her.  Not many women of the time were strong enough to hold out for that.

October 27, 2011
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I know and that just proves how smart she was.

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October 28, 2011
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Eric Ives gives a good answer to this question in his book “the life and Death of Anne Boleyn”  which I really recommend..

I think Anne was the love of his life. Theirs was a passionate love, Henry was a spoiled creature, Anne the only one who would stand up to him. Eric Ives states that there is evidence that Anne's first pregnancy was extremely difficult and that Henry was praying for anything, even a miscarriage to save the life of the mother.

Anne's enemies used the Kings passionate, obsessive love against them.. Henry however, really should have looked at the evidence before striking at Anne. This is what puzzles me. I think that the mixture of wanting the seymour, that Anne was getting older, that Anne was sort of joint ruler all combined and Henry reacted in a rage of self righteous indignation- “all these things I have done for her, and this is how she treats me! She thinks she can do anything!” I think his spoiled petulance wanted to believe her guilty so he could feel wronged, get rid of her and become the sole ruler in England again.

Why did Cromwell lose his head just because he arranged a marriage which was not to the Kings taste? Henry was not stuck with Anne of Cleves.. Henry could not admit he was wrong, but I think he knew Anne was innocent- though he believed the charges initially, and destroyed the person who had brought about his second wife's disgrace..

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October 28, 2011
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E said:

Eric Ives gives a good answer to this question in his book “the life and Death of Anne Boleyn”  which I really recommend..

I think Anne was the love of his life. Theirs was a passionate love, Henry was a spoiled creature, Anne the only one who would stand up to him. Eric Ives states that there is evidence that Anne's first pregnancy was extremely difficult and that Henry was praying for anything, even a miscarriage to save the life of the mother.

Anne's enemies used the Kings passionate, obsessive love against them.. Henry however, really should have looked at the evidence before striking at Anne. This is what puzzles me. I think that the mixture of wanting the seymour, that Anne was getting older, that Anne was sort of joint ruler all combined and Henry reacted in a rage of self righteous indignation- “all these things I have done for her, and this is how she treats me! She thinks she can do anything!” I think his spoiled petulance wanted to believe her guilty so he could feel wronged, get rid of her and become the sole ruler in England again.

Why did Cromwell lose his head just because he arranged a marriage which was not to the Kings taste? Henry was not stuck with Anne of Cleves.. Henry could not admit he was wrong, but I think he knew Anne was innocent- though he believed the charges initially, and destroyed the person who had brought about his second wife's disgrace..

I agree! Henry obviously loved Anne, no doubt about it. Maybe Cromwell destroyed all proof of Anne's existence so Henry wouldn't be reminded of her and come to regret his decision. I think Henry believed Anne had cheated because his paranoia was fed by her enemies, including Jane. But because Jane gave him a much needed son, he was blinded by the fact.

Funny how he went from quiet wife, to loud wife, to quiet etc, I guess in his case the grass was always greener lol…

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October 28, 2011
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Henry would get along with alot of people i know with the whole 'never being wrong' trait …cough…cough my sister…cough…..

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October 29, 2011
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Elliemarianna said:

I agree! Henry obviously loved Anne, no doubt about it. Maybe Cromwell destroyed all proof of Anne’s existence so Henry wouldn’t be reminded of her and come to regret his decision. I think Henry believed Anne had cheated because his paranoia was fed by her enemies, including Jane. But because Jane gave him a much needed son, he was blinded by the fact.

Funny how he went from quiet wife, to loud wife, to quiet etc, I guess in his case the grass was always greener lol…

 

Yes.. he did have that creature whispering in his ear didn't he? The mind boggles..

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November 1, 2011
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On the topic of the “witch” accusations, Do you think Henry was convinced that he never really loved Anne and that all of it was a “spell”? Maybe that's why he acted so harsh and decided that she absolutely had to die is because he had been trapped and put under a spell and then because her “spell” didn't work she decided to trap other men?…. I know it's a crazy theory but what if someone put this in Henry's head? Then he feel as if he was saving himself and others by getting rid of her. They were big believers in witches and spells back then, right? Maybe Henry was worped or soemthing…

*Not saying this is true just a thought as to why Henry would decide on death* Theories Theories Theories!

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November 6, 2011
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Wow. Couldn't agree more, wreckmasterjay. He seems to have been in love with the notion of being in love, and the thrill of the chase. IMO, he had a very immature notion of what love is – he thought it was all flowers and sunshine and didn't realize you have to work on relationships.

After killing Anne, he seems to have accelerated the notion of bailing on a marriage the first time they ran into problems. And that was another thing – they weren't HIS problems, they were his wives'. Guess that happens sometimes when you're raised with a God complex and handed the power of life and death at an early age. Friends, counselors, wives… they all became disposable to him.

And even when he voiced regret later, as with Cromwell, it was still everyone's fault but his own. He never seems to have taken responsibility for his actions and admitted that he'd screwed up and made the wrong decision. And then he wondered in his old age why he wasn't close to people, why he was lonely and mistrusted everyone's motives. Henry – it's because you systematically killed or discarded anyone who cared for you.

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November 8, 2011
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I agree with both of you. It's Henry exactly. I just wish he could've gotten that wake up call alot sooner in life. I wonder if he regretted everything or maybe he wished he could go back and change things. I mean, i think everyone has those moments where they did something they'd love to go back and change…Henry had a whole life of moments like that.

On another note, I kinda of think Katheryn Howard was alot like Henry in his younger days. I mean out of nowhere she was handed this huge responsibility and so was Henry when his brother died. They were both in love with newer better things and really badly wanted to fall in love etc etc. I think that if Katheryn and Henry met when he first became King, then maybe her outcome would've been a bit better.

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November 8, 2011
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wreckmasterjay said:

Henry was like a child wanting a new toy at christmas. He wants and wants and wants and when he gets it he grows bored of it very easily and then wants something else.

Perfectly said, wreckmasterjay. His wives were like a succession of toys he played with, satisfied for a moment, but ends up bored and on to the next newer, shiner object.

I cannot imagine Henry was ever capable of love. He was in love with the thought of love, but no woman ever lived up to the expectations Henry set for his relationships. He seemed to have a idealist mentality of what a romantic relationship was, but was destined to be disappointed when the woman did not fulfill his expectations. There was never a consideration for what KOA, AB, JS, AC, KH, or KP wanted in their marriage with Henry.

It seems Henry was infactuated with Anne, since I am not sold on the idea he was capable of loving her (or any woman for that matter). I don't doubt Anne's love and affection for Henry, since she fought so hard for her marriage. Henry, on the other hand, was quick to accept the worse of the woman he supposedly “loved” without  ever hearing her side of the story. Frankly, if he really loved her, Henry would not have believed any of the rumors about her (but that wasn't going to happen). One could blame a plethora of people for this, but if Henry really loved Anne, he would have sought her out, listened to her, and not disposed of her like a used dishcloth. But, like KOA, Anne fell victim to Henry's miniacal behaviour.

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November 16, 2011
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In my opinion he love Anne in the beginning. When she was her wife and she geve birth Elizabeth Henry began doubt. I think, that, he believed in Ann's fault. And began hate she.

November 16, 2011
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I think Henry just wanted her sexually in the early beginning then he did love her and continued to love her until Elizabeth was born and it wasn't a boy that he was wishing for, that event is when he started to turn on her even though it didn't really show. Then when the next pregnancy was unsuccessful he started to really not like her.

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