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If Henry had died in the Jan '36 joust?
May 17, 2011
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Sharon
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What would have happened?  Who would have been in charge?  Could the accident have have been one of the reasons for the downfall of the entire Boleyn faction?

May 17, 2011
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Would Anne have ruled as regent until Elizabeth was old enough to rule herself? and wouldn't Thomas Boleyn have had a lot of influence? I suppose the accident would have reminded enemies of the Boleyn family how powerful they had become.

May 17, 2011
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Would Anne have ruled as regent until Elizabeth was old enough to rule herself? and wouldn't Thomas Boleyn have had a lot of influence? I suppose the accident would have reminded enemies of the Boleyn family how powerful they had become.

May 18, 2011
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Well that's the thing isn't it?  There doesn't seem to have been a plan.  Would they have let Anne be regent?  That would have had to have been approved, right? I would think that in those hours in which Henry was thought to be near death's door,  the men of his council would have been scrambling to figure out who should be in charge if Henry were to die. 

Norfolk, Cromwell, and Suffolk must have had their heads together. Were they trying to figure out a way to prevent the Boleyn's from taking over?  Were the Boleyn's rubbing their hands together in anticipation? I think these hours would have caused a lot of panic.  It made me think that maybe, this was one of the reasons for disposing of the Boleyn faction at the same time they disposed of Anne.

I don't recall reading that these hours were a time in which these issues were considered. They held the vigil at his side.  Norfolk went to Anne and told her of the accident.  When Henry woke up, all was good and he was his great self again.  Is there anything more written about these hours? I find it difficult to believe that these men never gave a thought to what would happen if Henry died. I know they weren't supposed to talk about the king dying since it was considered treason. Could they have all decided to make a pact and never bring up what was said in those hours?  Just wondering?

May 18, 2011
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Personally, I think the factions would soon descend into civil war. A Boleyn/Howard/Cromwell regancy would not be strong enough if the religous conservatives made an alliance with a Spainish backed Mary. Anne would ahve been given no place on the regancy council due to her being a woman.

 

How Francis and James would have reacted to an England torned apart by war would be intereasting. Would they ally themselves to one party? Or would they press for James to be king using his descent from Margaret Tudor?

It's always bunnies.

May 19, 2011
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Anyanka said:

Personally, I think the factions would soon descend into civil war. A Boleyn/Howard/Cromwell regancy would not be strong enough if the religous conservatives made an alliance with a Spainish backed Mary. Anne would ahve been given no place on the regancy council due to her being a woman.

 

How Francis and James would have reacted to an England torned apart by war would be intereasting. Would they ally themselves to one party? Or would they press for James to be king using his descent from Margaret Tudor?


I agree, Anyanka. A civil war would have been inevitable. Too many people in England still supported Mary as Henry's true heir, and who would want an infant as the monarch. Anne was not popular and her factions was not solidified. No doubt the Duke of Norfolk would have sided with whomever was the best for his personal dealings. Anne would not have been welcomed on a Regency council, and I do not believe anyone would give her any power. Their interests would have been with Elizabeth, fighting off a strong Catholic fold, and what to do with an infant monarch.

I only think of the dangers surrounding the death of James of Scotland and his daughter Mary, Queen of Scots.

I am not sure what either France or Scotland would do. That is an intersting questions that I'll have to ponder for awhile.

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May 19, 2011
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DuchessofBrittany said:

I am not sure what either France or Scotland would do. That is an intersting questions that I'll have to ponder for awhile.


France and/or Scotland would do as they always do and side with the party who had most to offer them, regardless of religious or other allegiances (which, in fairness, is the same as England or any other country would do in similar circumstances).

May 25, 2011
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I was thinking of this the other night. Anne was beside herself, which seems a bit strange for a woman who has been reported as often being bored in Henry's company or making fun of his sexual prowess and sense of fashion.. I think she was concerned there would be civil war and she would be murdered if Henry died. (She may have  been a little distressed by his accident..Wink)

Perhaps the best thing she could do to prevent this would be to approach the council in submission expressing her concern for the wellfare of the country and her willingness to achieve peace. She would have to play a very careful game to survive as she was not popular at all… Perhaps Mary would reign first, then Elizabeth- Anne would have to spend some time in France till Mary's demise. Would Mary concieve should she marry when she was younger? Would Elizabeth have the honed skills we appreciate and admire her for should she eventually come to the throne?

Anne was reported as saying she was happy to die so that the country could prosper through her issue- so she achieved more than she knew with Elizabeth!

"A fresh young damsel, who could trip and go"

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