7:00 pm
May 16, 2011
Oh wow, first of all if I ever met Anne, then i'd be bursting with questions non-stop for about a week. But if I only had time for just one question then i'd have to ask if….looking back on her whole life, is she happy with it? Meaning if she had any regrets.
(I thought of one question for Henry, Elizabeth, and each wife) :
Henry VIII: How come you never took responsibility for anything,why was it everyone else's fault but your own?
Elizabeth I: Why do you think you had such an aversion towards marriage?
Katherine #1: Was the marriage to Arthur consumated,if not then why did you stick to it for so long?
Jane Seymour: Did you want Anne overthrown so you could be Queen, was it true?
Anna of Cleves: Were you frightened when you married the King considered how the other wives turned out in the end?
Katheryn #2: Did you regret the affair with Culpepper, or marrying Henry VIII in that matter?
Catherine #3: How exciting was it to write a book considering the time you lived in?
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9:50 pm
August 12, 2009
Mya Elise said:
Katherine #1: Was the marriage to Arthur consummated, if not, then why did you stick to it for so long?
I'm not sure I understand this question. Why did she stick to the marriage? (divorce was wrong) Or why did she stick to the 'story' that it wasn't consummated? (because it wasn't?) Or did you mean if it was consummated, why did she lie?
"Don't knock at death's door.
Ring the bell and run. He hates that."
Hahaha, I know…it would be hard to ask just one. I think the question for Elizabeth would be interesting to find out the answer. If I were her, given the examples of marriage I had seen growing up would’ve kept me single too! I think I would also ask Elizabeth why she held her father in such high regard after he had her mother beheaded? I understand he was her dad but…why??? That seems pretty hard to get over.
I think I would ask Anne if it was weird for her that her sister was Henry’s mistress first, and possibly had his kids? I mean, that had to have been way too awkward to handle. No wonder mary Boleyn left court…
9:50 am
February 24, 2010
I would ask Elizabeth if she truly held her father in such high esteem, or did she invoke his name to remind people that she was the lion’s cub? She was such a smart cookie!
Anne….When the whole thing started with Henry, did you feel trapped by his pursuit?
Henry….Did you ever love anyone? If so, then why did you hurt/kill so many of the people you claimed to love.
1:16 pm
May 16, 2011
Impish_Impulse said:
Mya Elise said:
Katherine #1: Was the marriage to Arthur consummated, if not, then why did you stick to it for so long?
I'm not sure I understand this question. Why did she stick to the marriage? (divorce was wrong) Or why did she stick to the 'story' that it wasn't consummated? (because it wasn't?) Or did you mean if it was consummated, why did she lie?
The last one is what I meant.. If it was consummated then why lie for so long? This is one of the biggest things that bothers me because I can ever decide whether I believe her or not and of course I want to believe her but theres still a 50/50 chance she did lie and the marriage was consumated. But that's just my opinion.
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1:19 pm
May 16, 2011
About Elizabeth, sometimes I get the vibe that maybe she was so nice to Henry maybe because she wanted to be extra safe and careful about her well being, She was fully aware of what happend to her mother and she saw what the rest of the wives fate played out to be. But this is just a small theory of mine, nothing more.
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8:54 pm
August 12, 2009
No, I think that theory about Elizabeth may be true. She was a survivor, that's for sure! I had a mean 1st grade teacher and my response was to suck up big time. I made sure she had no idea I was afraid of her. And Sharon has a point, too. Being the “lion's cub” was her claim to the throne.
"Don't knock at death's door.
Ring the bell and run. He hates that."
2:10 pm
January 3, 2012
Mya Elise said:
About Elizabeth, sometimes I get the vibe that maybe she was so nice to Henry maybe because she wanted to be extra safe and careful about her well being, She was fully aware of what happend to her mother and she saw what the rest of the wives fate played out to be. But this is just a small theory of mine, nothing more.
This is actually a very good point that you have raised. Did Elizabeth actually live in fear of Henry? Possibly given how erasible and tyanncal he became after her Anne was beheaded. I think Elizabeth was in awe of her father, hard not to be really, and I also think that she used (for want of a better word) the mistakes that she felt Henry and her sister Mary made in his/her reign, to her advantage in her own reign.. Edward only ruled such a short time and wasn't in full control of his reign anyway that the mistakes made by his brother's council, may have had some effect on her but certainly not as much as Henry or Mary's reigns..
Elizabeth always referred to herself as a Lion's cub.. but I don't think she ever forgot her mother completely and certainly her mother's downfall and death must have had a profound effect on her.. Elizabeth I think was a real firebrand Henry's temperment that's for sure but also her mother quick wit a dangerous but succesful mix..
There was something Elizabeth was alledgely supposed to have said when her council were urging her to get married and have an heir, that showed a mixture of those 2 temperments to full view..
She said to her council.”If I had been born crested and not cloven you wouldn't have dared speak to me like this”
For some reason the council shut up and didn't dare mention the matter of marriage again, for a while anyway..
As for the question I'd like to ask Anne, there are actually quite a few to be honest, but I think the main one would be.
Were you pleased by the way Elizabeth turned out and made Britain great, after the disasterious reign of Mary?
Taking Elizabeth out of the equation for a sec. I think my question for Anne would be.
Why did you get sucked into Henry's web?
Semper Fidelis, quod sum quod
6:25 pm
January 9, 2010
3:16 am
January 17, 2011
8:52 am
May 16, 2011
2:42 pm
February 10, 2010
I'm with Bella on this one – did you have any regrets. I suspect the answer on the day she died was leaving Elizabeth. If she saw the way it all turned out, I suspect the answer may be no – Elizabeth ensured Anne's place in history. Had Edward lived and produced children Elizabeth would never have been queen. If Anne hadn't been executed would Elizabeth have been the woman she became?
Hmm – you could get into all sorts of philosophical stuff about fate, pre-determination and free will on that one!
11:41 am
January 3, 2012
This one is always going to be a tough one to answer. Whatever questions we could ask her would only open up yet another can of worms.. I think Bella makes a good point. Did Anne regret anything?
Did Anne actually regret getting involved with Henry?
I think she knew that by sacrificing her own life Elizabeth would have been spared, but did she have the foresight to know that by giving her life Elizabeth would rule and build an England to be proud of?
Mya Elise (Beautiful name by the way) Makes a good point, One Question just isn't enough. We all have different opinions to the why's and wherefore's of Anne actions and her death. So we could never really ask just one question and understand why Anne did such and such.
It would be nice though to know her side of the story, as Henry made sure that every bit of blame lay on her shoulders and did his best to blacken her name thoughout history. He even blamed her for the bad harvests of 35/36 I believe, and he certainly blamed her for the death of Henry Fitzroy. Anne also got the blame, partially for the death of Catherine of Aragon, and for Mary's illnesses, when Anne was Queen. Mary must have wanted to believe that too as once when Mary and Elizabeth were having one of their cat fights over the matter of religion and Elizabeth's non attendence at Mass, Mary pointed out that her Mother had died because Elizabeth's mother was a witch and cast a spell on her to make her heart go black or something like that anyway..
By ordering Anne's execution, Henry has made Anne's name immortal. Did he know this would happen? I know Anne was rarely if at all mentioned, after her death at court. Maybe only in sneering remarks, something like “oh there goes Elizabeth her mother Anne was a witch and wh*re.”, And Elizabeth herself only made very slight references to her when she became Queen, although I believe she did carry a minature of her mother with her always, and that was only discovered when she died, everyone knew she carried the locket, but they thought it contained a picture of Robert Dudley, and were surprized to learn when they opened it that it was her mother's portrait in it all along. So Elizabeth herself must have loved her mother even though she wan't quite 3 when her mother was executed. Perhaps Cat Ashley was the reason Elizabeth never forgot her mother, and certainly Elizabeth knew a lot of Anne's kinsmen..
Which brings me to another Question.. Did Elizabeth have a relationship, with Thomas and Elizabeth Boleyn, her grandparents? Hmm interesting thought that one?
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4:17 pm
May 16, 2011
Well, with all the Anne fans in the world maybe every question for Anne would be answered!
I don't think Elizabeth really got to know her grandparents considering they died just 3? years after Anne did. Plus Anne hardly saw Elizabeth so Thomas and ElizabethB probably saw her less than that. I also wonder if Mary ever saw Elizabeth again after the whole banning from court incident and after Anne's death. It's kind of sad that Elizabeth was deprived from seeing all of her family but it's nice that she did have relationships with Mary's children when she was Queen.
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6:12 pm
January 3, 2012
Mya Elise said:
Well, with all the Anne fans in the world maybe every question for Anne would be answered!
I don’t think Elizabeth really got to know her grandparents considering they died just 3? years after Anne did. Plus Anne hardly saw Elizabeth so Thomas and ElizabethB probably saw her less than that. I also wonder if Mary ever saw Elizabeth again after the whole banning from court incident and after Anne’s death. It’s kind of sad that Elizabeth was deprived from seeing all of her family but it’s nice that she did have relationships with Mary’s children when she was Queen.
Good point Mya, to be honest Mary Boleyn completely slipped my mind. I think it's possible that Elizabeth may have had some contact with Mary, but as Mary died when Elizabeth was only 9, it's difficult to actually pinpoint how much and how often that contact was. From Elizabeth's behaviour towards her cousin's in her reign shows that it was cordial and freindly, although Lettice did rather upset the apple cart in marrying Robert Dudley.But even before their grand falling out Lettice was extremely close to Elizabeth.. Was her mother Catherine as close? Certainly Henry Carey Mary's alleged son by Henry, therefore possible half brother to Elizabeth certainly did well for himself in Elizabeth reign and died in 1598? I think Elizabeth did mourn his death as he was the last connection so to speak to her mother, as his mother would have told all the childhood things that she and Anne did up until Mary's first marriage.
The question of Thom and Liz Boleyn's relationship with Elizabeth is probably one will never know, it's possible that like their daughter Anne they just pretended Elizabeth didn't exist..Perhaps they felt it was better that way as they narrowly escaped with their own heads and fortune intact, and if they made a big song and dance about Elizabeth they could have possibly had an appointment with the headsman on the morrow, so to speak.. Bit cruel though if you think about it after it wasn't Elizabeth's fault that Anne died so it seems to me at least that Thom and Liz were blaming her for it..
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7:25 pm
November 18, 2010
IIRC Henry kept Elizabeth closely guarded with mature and goodly guardians. He rarely saw her and all requests went through Cromwell.
Perhaps Cromwell kept Elizabeth's maternal family from seeing her either on his own account or by Henry's orders. By the time of Cromwell's fall, both of Anne's parents were dead. So there would be no reconciliation had they been kept from Elizabeth by Cromwell.
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10:07 pm
August 12, 2009
Boleyn said:
The question of Thom and Liz Boleyn's relationship with Elizabeth is probably one will never know, it's possible that like their daughter Anne they just pretended Elizabeth didn't exist. *snip* Bit cruel though if you think about it after it wasn't Elizabeth's fault that Anne died so it seems to me at least that Thom and Liz were blaming her for it.
OK, I just went back and deleted a bunch, because at first I thought you were saying that Anne pretended Elizabeth didn’t exist and I was just flabbergasted. I think you are saying that Anne’s parents pretended Elizabeth didn’t exist, as they pretended Anne didn’t exist. But I think that’s wrong, as well.
There’s no evidence Elizabeth Boleyn pretended her daughter didn’t exist. Thomas? He may have realized there was no saving Anne and George, but I do think it was cold of him to carry on serving Henry for the few years he had left. Elizabeth didn’t really have any rights here and may have been kept from Anne and George, either by Henry or her husband. Anne is alleged to have exclaimed upon being taken to the Tower, “My poor mother will die of grief!” That doesn’t sound like Anne thought her mother was pretending she didn’t exist.
I don’t think Thomas and Elizabeth Boleyn ignored their grandchild, either. For one thing, there was no such thing as grandparent’s rights and it was strictly Henry’s decision as to if and when they could visit. And as far as that goes, there’s no evidence they didn’t visit her occasionally. But as Elizabeth was officially Henry’s bastard daughter from the time of Anne’s downfall until after her grandparents’ deaths, she probably wasn’t considered important enough for them to record the comings and goings of her visitors.
"Don't knock at death's door.
Ring the bell and run. He hates that."
5:04 am
January 3, 2012
Impish Impulse.. I never was very good at explaining myself, so I'm sorry if my last posting confused you a little.
I certainly didn't mean the reader/s to think that Anne ignored Elizabeth. We all know that Anne adored Elizabeth, and made sure that Elizabeth always had the best of everything, in short she spoilt her rotten.
Anyanka, Hmm Cromwell certainly did have as many fiddles going as the London Philharmonic, so yeah it's possible he did manage to put a spanner in the works, and stopped Thom and Liz Boleyn having little or nothing to do with Elizabeth. But Thom and Liz I believe had very little if anything to do with Mary's children too.
Certainly Thom still being in and around court after Anne's death, was a cold and callous thing to do, but maybe Henry or Cromwell played a part in that, and an order from the King or from the King via Cromwell had to be obeyed or he risked losing his head and his fortune. Maybe keeping Thom about the court was Henry's way of making sure that Thom kept his mouth shut, about the execution of Anne.
There is one thing that really does puzzle me, Lady Rochford, was instrumental in plotting the downfall of both Anne and George, and yet didn't seem to suffer from it? We all know that Cromwell pulled out all the stops in making up stories to get rid of Anne, but why did Lady Rochford go along with this plans? We know that she was jealous of the bond that Anne and George had, so did Cromwell promise her that if she testified against Anne, that George would go free? If so she must have been bitterly disappointed, because as the widow of an executed criminal she would have lost everything moneywise that she would have had, if George had died of natural causes.
Did she therefore hold a grudge towards Cromwell? Why did she encourage Catherine Howard's Behaviour with Culpepper? She would have been aware of the consequences surely? Perhaps she thought if Catherine got pregnant that she (Lady Rochford) would become the baby's governess, therefore kind of have have her own little court around her, and lord it over all those below her, I hope that makes sence.
One also has to ask just why did Catherine Howard, allow Joan Bulmer and Francis Durham, etc to wait on her once she became Queen.. Did she seriously hope that by doing this it would buy their silence?
2 more Tudor Mysteries to try and unravel.
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