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8:17 pm
January 2, 2012
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Note: I'm new to the board so I'm not exactly sure what the “Create topic” policy is. If this falls under an existing topic or doesn't belong here at all, my apologies
Since I don't hide being a Tudor nut amongst my friends, I occasionally get into discussions/massive arguments. This particular instance started at 10 PM and ended at 1 AM in a hotel room. Both friends claimed to know their facts, but through their evidence it was clear they had read both The Other Boleyn Girl and watched 'The Tudors'. Apparently:
- Mary Boleyn was Henry's mistress in France.
- Thomas Boleyn pushed Anne to marry Henry.
- Anne Boleyn wasn't a virgin when she married Henry.
- Henry would have pushed for England breaking away from the Catholic Church if he were with a lady other than Anne (this was speculation…still, Anne had her role in the reformation, unless I'm mistaken).
- Not from either but: Elizabeth had many lovers in her lifetime.
8:58 pm
November 18, 2010
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samus said:
Both friends claimed to know their facts, but through their evidence it was clear they had read both The Other Boleyn Girl and watched 'The Tudors'.frustrating…reminds me of the disadvantages of free speech.
1)Stop…take a strong drink…..breathe deeply….
2)And read the site both the main site and the forum…
3) repeat step 1…
4) go to bed and remember there are a lot of us who know the truth here for you…
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6:16 am
February 16, 2009
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Yes, the joys of combining the misinformation spouted by TOBG and The Tudors! I'm not sure whether your friends would read it but I did write an article about TOBG – http://www.theanneboleynfiles……leyn-girl/ – as many people think they know exactly who Anne and Mary Boleyn were after reading that.
Debunking the myths about Anne Boleyn
12:50 pm
January 9, 2010
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Wow, the amount of damage TOBG continues to do! And the amount of times I've had to correct people when they've made assumptions after watching 'The Tudors'!
You could try and get your friends to visit this site if they're genuinely intrigued by Tudor history. Or get them to read Eric Ives' The Life and Death of Anne Boleyn. But if they can't be bothered in further research, then there's not much hope for them, is there?! 
7:44 pm
August 12, 2009
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Hi, Samus! Good to see you here as well as on The Elizabeth Files. And hoo-boy, PG has a lot to answer for, as does Michael Hearst for the inaccuracies in The Tudors. In fact, Hearst frustrates me more, because he gets some obscure details spot-on, but then he screws up some major plotlines. Argh! The real story is more exciting than anything you can make up; why does he tinker with it?
"Don't knock at death's door.
Ring the bell and run. He hates that."
11:14 am
May 16, 2011
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Hahaha, i know all about people believeing TOBG and The Tudors and acting as if they know everything. My own mother even agrues with me about Anne! She has watched TOBG movie and based on that she thought Anne was kind of a b*tch ( which is understandable because if you base your opinion for Anne just on that movie alone then,yeah, Anne doesn't seem like the nicest person around). And then my sister watched the first two seasons of The Tudors with me and immediately she took sides with KOA and obviously didn't like Anne very much which caused my family to question why I like Anne so much, to which I always answer “Anne was a good person, people just like telling lies about her to make money”. And I always suggest to them to read about her, I think everyone's opinions would change if they took the time to read the truth about her.
• Grumble all you like, this is how it’s going to be.
12:00 pm
February 24, 2010
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Hi Samus,
It is amazing the damage that has been done to Anne by TOBG. The Tudors didn't help much either, but I am guilty of watching and enjoying it.
I find it very difficult to discuss history with my friends. They have no interest, and I get highly irritated when they start talking about how awful Anne was according to the movies they have seen. Maybe your friends are different than mine and would actually enjoy learning the truth. Send them over.
12:11 pm
May 16, 2011
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It's same with me, no one i know, personally, likes history except my brother but he like's ancient aliens and stuff like that but not like Tudor history. It's very irritating to have no one to discuss Anne with which is why i'm so thankful for this site.
• Grumble all you like, this is how it’s going to be.
4:22 pm
July 9, 2009
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I just had this conversation a minute ago:
“What is the role?”
“Anne Boleyn.”
“They say she had 3 breasts. Might be difficult to play.”
“Haha and 6 fingers on one hand, allegedly.”
“No wonder they cut her head off…it was probably a spare one!”
Just thought I'd share. This was a conversation with an English gentleman who knows his history and likes a good joke. We got all the misconceptions about Anne out in one conversation!
Ainsi sera, groigne qui groigne.
7:26 pm
April 9, 2011
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She had 3 breasts? No wonder she chode to breastfeed Elizabeth instead of palming her off onto some random.
Glad I'm not the only one who has no one to discuss this stuff with, I was beginning to think I was the only one. I do have one friend who will sit down and watch The Tudors with me and ask me if that really happened. I'm grateful she doesn't take it as gospel. I'm too scared to get into a discussion with another friend who has a history degree, he frustrates me just talking about modern stuff lol
11:13 am
December 5, 2009
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The one I come across the most is that Anne was charged with witchcraft despite the fact that the Act creating witchcraft as a crime was not passed until many years after Anne's death, therefore, it was impossible for her to be charged formally with witchcraft. I also read in Loades recent book 'The Boleyns' that she and George were charged with conspiring to murder Mary and Henry Fitzroy. No they weren't.
8:13 pm
May 16, 2011
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That make Henry's comment to Henry fitzroy, that he and Mary were lucky to have escaped poisoning by Anne, was false, right?
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9:06 pm
August 12, 2009
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Henry might have said it with no evidence and that's how the rumor started that she was charged with it. Apparently, Henry also said she had “bewitched” him into marriage, which is another possible source, but I've read that the word he used (French) could also be translated “charmed” or “enchanted”.
"Don't knock at death's door.
Ring the bell and run. He hates that."
10:56 am
May 16, 2011
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He gave all the rumors more fuel.
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11:55 am
February 24, 2010
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Yup! Cromwell came up with the legal charges, and Henry set about to ruin Anne's reputation anyway he could. Saying she was going to murder Fitzroy and Mary would mean, had she been allowed to live, she would have been capable of committing foul murder. Saying she had bewitched or enchanted Henry makes her a witch. Together they ruined every aspect of who Anne really was.
2:35 pm
December 5, 2009
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The problem is that a lot of these myths and rumours are treated as fact in so many books that it is difficult for anyone to be able to differentiate between fact and fiction. Anne being charged with witchcraft has become fact to many people because it is referred to so often. That's in some non-fiction I have read as well as fiction.
It's like Lady Rochford's scaffold speech where she is supposed to have admitted to lying about Anne and George. It's a myth but even some historians treat it as fact, just like Catherine Howard supposedly said on the scaffold that she would rather die the wife of Culpepper. It's repeated so often that both speeches are assumed to be correct.
Henry referred to Anne bewitching him and he also spread rumours that Anne had tried to murder Mary and Henry Fitzroy, but that is turned into formal charges when in fact she was only ever charged with adultery, incest and plotting to kill the King. It's not helped that some historians repeat the myths as fact.
Then we have Joanna Denny stating that the men accused with Anne were also charged with sodomy. No they weren't.
When you hear some of the nonsense people come out with having read Gregory or watched The Tudors the normal response is to suggest they read a non-fiction book, but that's not always the answer. Sometimes non-fiction can be just as misleading as fiction because every human being on the face of the planet makes mistakes. The problem is, if you take every historian at face value, how on earth do you differentiate between fact and myth?
2:39 pm
December 8, 2011
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I thought I was the only one who lacked friends with the same passion for everything Tudor! My friends get pretty fed up with me giving them history lessons anytime there's a Tudor reference or some blatant fabrication about Anne. I usually get the eye roll and “Oh, here we go again…” as I fanatically rattle off facts and dates. My personal favorite is when people tell me Anne was the “biggest home wrecker in history”- I just love setting the record straight.
"If the lion knew his own strength, hard were it for any man to rule him" -Thomas More
9:18 pm
May 16, 2011
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I hate hate hate myths! It's so maddening especially when there are thousands of people out there who've watched or read books like TOBG and believe Phillipa Gregory is like a Tudor God or something who knows every detail of what happend. I just want to gather all the copies and store them in my attic and put like 10 locks on the door.
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8:47 pm
August 12, 2009
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Welcome, Kris! You're in very good company here. Hee hee.
"Don't knock at death's door.
Ring the bell and run. He hates that."
11:47 pm
November 18, 2010
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Mya-Elise. said:
I hate hate hate myths! It's so maddening especially when there are thousands of people out there who've watched or read books like TOBG and believe Phillipa Gregory is like a Tudor God or something who knows every detail of what happend. I just want to gather all the copies and store them in my attic and put like 10 locks on the door.
There's an alternative universe where She-who-must-not-be-named is defeated by the Boleyn-who-lived and Hogwarts rejoices..or am I mixing up my fanfic again??
It's always bunnies.
