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Portrait of Elizabeth
October 28, 2011
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Elliemarianna
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There's a portrait of Elizabeth, that is slowly degrading to reveal a snake in her hand, and a woman underneath the portrait. Looking at one of the images – what if the painting is of Anne? She looks similar to the Anne Boleyn painting at Hever… What do you guys think?

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The mouth seems similar, as does the end of the nose. The eyes look dark and large apart from the right eye which looks light – maybe from some damage.  The eye shape is similar too.

This is the original –

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"It is however but Justice, & my Duty to declre that this amiable Woman was entirely innocent of the Crimes with which she was accused, of which her Beauty, her Elegance, & her Sprightliness were sufficient proofs..." Jane Austen.

October 28, 2011
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The picture definately looks like Elizabeth but the 'woman underneath' does look alot like Anne. Maybe it was based on a portrait that once exsisted of her but Henry destroyed.?

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October 28, 2011
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Hmm, I like the way the woman in the underportrait looks up at you through her eyelashes. It's rather flirtatious, which matches my vision of Anne. If it IS Anne, it's better done than the Hever painting, less stiff, more lifelike.

But why would Elizabeth have a picture of her mother painted over? Is there any evidence of a “third” portrait between the two? A painting that could have hidden the portrait of Anne and one that Elizabeth wouldn't have minded painting over? If so, what a coincidence that it was chosen to re-use for Elizabeth, and her unknowing Anne's portrait was hidden under hers!

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October 29, 2011
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I'll try and 'trace over the second face today on photoshop, to see if I can make it its own picture. Elizabeth was very cunning, maybe she thought the best place to hide her mothers painting would be under her own? The portrait of Elizabeth was done in her later life, so maybe she feared the portrait of her mother would be discovered and destroyed when she died, so this was her way of protecting it?

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October 29, 2011
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I love the painting- it's as though Anne has come back back to be with her daughter.. If of course, it it Anne. I thought at first it was a portrait of Elizabeth that she didn't like that had been redone till it found her approval.. But the mouth is too different…

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October 29, 2011
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Haha it's not very good as I had to do it in a hurry and ran out of time, but I think it could definitely be Anne. The nose, mouth and face shape esp.

This is just the outline –

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October 29, 2011
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That's awesome! You're definitely on to something- she looks incredibly similar to the Hever portrait..

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October 31, 2011
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Wow, that does look alot like her especially the Hever picture.

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October 31, 2011
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It's eerie looking isn't it – and it does rather fit my picture of Anne!  I wonder if that's what happened to Anne's portraits after her death, that they were simply repainted over – brushing her out of history, so to speak.

November 1, 2011
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The only thing is….she kind of looks mean or mad in that portrait, maybe it's the shape of her eyebrows.

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November 1, 2011
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Haha, I know, I think they eyebrows look thicker in the x-ray, but I didn't have time to finish it Wink

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November 1, 2011
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Elliemarianna, what great work, and it does look a lot like Anne to me. I also love your quote, as it is so true about Anne! Mine comes from what Elizabeth said to Sir William Cecil when she received Mary's betrothal ring announcing her death, and her own succession to the crown as an absolute monarch. Anne would have been so proud. So should you as I've been following this for a while. Thank you so very much! WilesWalesCool

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November 1, 2011
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Elliemarianna said:

Haha, I know, I think they eyebrows look thicker in the x-ray, but I didn't have time to finish it Wink

 

Oh! No matter what it's a beautiful picture but yeah the eyebrows look, like, extra slanted down to make her look like she's grimacing or just mad. haha.

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November 3, 2011
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^ Or permanently surprised!

But women did pluck their eyebrows then so maybe Anne had a fashionably arched brow Smile

November 9, 2011
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I re-did the picture! I had more time so here it is…..

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November 10, 2011
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What a great job, Ellie. I went over to the Elizabeth Files cuz I thought I had seen this before. The face underneath shows up more in color than the black and white.  I don't see any eyebrows!

 

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November 10, 2011
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Sharon said:

What a great job, Ellie. I went over to the Elizabeth Files cuz I thought I had seen this before. The face underneath shows up more in color than the black and white.  I don't see any eyebrows!

 

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I used this x-ray instead of the original –

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November 10, 2011
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I think they look totally different! I like the X-ray better; it looks softer and the mouth isn't so pursed the woman looks pissed.

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November 10, 2011
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I've lurked on this site for a while and read the forum posts, but this one is so interesting it made me want to get in on the conversation myself.

 

On the X-ray picture, if you look at the image that looks like Anne, it looks like there's another eye right above what would be Anne's left eye.

November 11, 2011
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Impish_Impulse said:

I think they look totally different! I like the X-ray better; it looks softer and the mouth isn’t so pursed the woman looks pissed.

 

Impish, I think they look totally different too.  The woman that Ellie has captured from the x-ray is a beautiful woman.  Looking at the portrait itself the woman doesn't come close to looking like the x-rayed lady.  The shape of the eye is totally different from the way it looks on the x-ray.

Hi, and welcome Deadlyxxnightshade.  Smile  A third person?  An interesting observation. 

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