7:55 am
January 17, 2011
Just wondered what everyone's opinion is of this?
Was Anne Boleyn maternal?
The world of babies and children are so different today, in Royal cirlcles of that time children were to some useful p*rns in a constant game…..we knew Anne desparately wanted to have a son as the stakes were of the highest degree but was she actually maternal and was she a loving caring mother to Elizabeth?
Was Anne a good mother?
10:04 am
November 18, 2010
To an extent I think she was. You must remember Elizabeth was sent away to the royal nursery at a few months old. Anne certainly made sure Elizabeth had all the trappings of her royal status. Anne certainly visited often.
Would she have been a good mother to Elizabeth and any other children had she lived? I think so, her sons would have been brought up entirely seperately to her but she would have had the company of her daughters once they were old enough to come to court.
Would Mary have come to like her? Definately not.
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Sophie1536 said:
Just wondered what everyone's opinion is of this?
Was Anne Boleyn maternal?The world of babies and children are so different today, in Royal cirlcles of that time children were to some useful p*rns in a constant game…..we knew Anne desparately wanted to have a son as the stakes were of the highest degree but was she actually maternal and was she a loving caring mother to Elizabeth?
Was Anne a good mother?
Interesting question.
Firstly, what constitutes a good mother? You will find a range of answers today and certainly back in the early modern period. But I suppose there are several issues we can all agree on – a mother is should be entirely concerned with her child’s welfare, is a protector and, above all, loves her child unconditionally.
During Anne’s lifetime, all these things mattered to. However Anne was not just a mother – she was a queen and mother to an heir to the throne. And royal mothers faced other expectations, all of which I think Anne achieved.
Anne, along with Henry, were fierce supporters of the legislation that legitimised their marriage and thus ensured Elizabeth’s position as heir. Safeguarding your child’s inheritance was one of the most important duties a noblewoman – some of whom had to fight incredibly hard to protect this – and certainly a queen, had. It is a major factor why Katherine of Aragon challenged Henry’s actions so passionately. Anne’s zeal matched Katherine’s, and for that alone both women can be commended.
There is evidence that Anne was already giving some consideration to Elizabeth’s education. We know she spent lavishly on her daughter, to the degree that immediately after her death Henry, or Cromwell to be more precise, had to pay off debts for clothes and other sumptuous items for the baby. Clearly Anne was utterly concerned with presenting her daughter as the monarch’s legitimate child and potential heir, and concerned that her daughter be educated to a standard suitable for someone of her status.
Even if Anne had not married the King, she would have still been expected to make a very good marriage and fulfil the important duty of bearing her husband a male heir. Motherhood was deeply attached to the idea that prolonging a family line was absolute necessity, along with the belief that marriage was specifically for the procreation of children. These may not seem maternal notions but to Anne, and women of her status, they were. Of course early modern women loved their children, took joy in being around them and were devastated when any harm came to them. But there were so many elements behind motherhood and being a ‘good mother’. I would argue that Anne did well by the standards of her age and for the brief time she had. Her wish to have a son was entirely understandable; daughters, though welcomed, were not desired as heirs and Anne must have known that she would not have got to where she did if her predecessor had bore a son. Plus, like Henry, Anne was a staunch supporter of the Royal Supremacy and the belief that the King had pleased God by removing the ‘corrupt’ power of an unlawful Pope and thus attempting to return the Church to its true form. A son would be an excellent indication of God’s pleasure and a great thing to throw back at their enemies – a sort of ‘we have a son; God must be very happy with us thus we were right to do what we did!’ Anne like all her contemporaries saw the hand of God in everything, so having a son must have meant so much to her and to Henry.
It is sometimes forgotten that Anne was indirectly accused of having committed treason against her child in May 1536. By supposedly sleeping with several men she ran the risk of becoming pregnant by someone other than her husband, bearing a bastard which, if male, could unlawfully usurp the true heir’s position (Elizabeth). And this to challenge the 1534 Act of Succession that sought to defend Elizabeth, and her sibling’s, rights to succeed. Given Anne’s fierce defence of her daughter’s rights, this was a devastating accusation. She died, officially, an enemy of her king – her husband – and her child. Fortunately, Elizabeth doesn’t appear to have credited these charges and spoke incredibly well of her mother, even going as far as claiming her mother was a virtuous woman who would not have slept with her father whilst unmarried. So at least there was that.
"Much as her form seduc'd the sight,
Her eyes could ev'n more surely woo;"
6:34 pm
November 18, 2010
Nasim said:
It is sometimes forgotten that Anne was indirectly accused of having committed treason against her child in May 1536. By supposedly sleeping with several men she ran the risk of becoming pregnant by someone other than her husband, bearing a bastard which, if male, could unlawfully usurp the true heir’s position (Elizabeth). And this to challenge the 1534 Act of Succession that sought to defend Elizabeth, and her sibling’s, rights to succeed. Given Anne’s fierce defence of her daughter’s rights, this was a devastating accusation. She died, officially, an enemy of her king – her husband – and her child. Fortunately, Elizabeth doesn’t appear to have credited these charges and spoke incredibly well of her mother, even going as far as claiming her mother was a virtuous woman who would not have slept with her father whilst unmarried. So at least there was that.
I hadn't realised that aspect of the trial..Food for though indeed!
It's always bunnies.
11:58 pm
March 9, 2011
10:43 am
March 20, 2011
Anyanka said:
To an extent I think she was. You must remember Elizabeth was sent away to the royal nursery at a few months old. Anne certainly made sure Elizabeth had all the trappings of her royal status. Anne certainly visited often.
Would she have been a good mother to Elizabeth and any other children had she lived? I think so, her sons would have been brought up entirely seperately to her but she would have had the company of her daughters once they were old enough to come to court.
Would Mary have come to like her? Definately not.
Yes, I agree with you. Sure, Anne was terribly disappointed at Elizabeth's birth – but yet she must have thought that her daughter was cute and so on. Her tender feelings are much implied in The Tudors series. I wouldn't be surprised if Anne's love was only strengthened after the miscarriages, something like: “She's all I got, she's my only surviving child”.
7:43 pm
August 12, 2009
Nasim said:
There is evidence that Anne was already giving some consideration to Elizabeth’s education.
The people that Anne chose to surround her daughter with convinces me she was a good mother who truly loved Elizabeth and took care for her future. She also asked her chaplain AND Archbishop Cranmer to watch over Elizabeth if something happened to her. Those aren't the actions of a disinterested parent, IMO.
"Don't knock at death's door.
Ring the bell and run. He hates that."
10:30 am
May 19, 2011
Hello! from the books I've come across (Starkey, Weir, Fraser and a few others as I am so interested in Anne) they mention that Anne wanted to breastfeed- of course she was not allowed.. She spent lavishly on Elizabeth and was concerned with her education. A few days before Anne's arrest, she begged Cranmer to look to her daughters safety in case anything happened to her. So I think Anne was an excellent mother with a strong maternal instinct- happy to push the boundaries of the Tudor world. Come to think of it, Anne pushed quite a few boundaries of the Tudor world!
"A fresh young damsel, who could trip and go"
I think she was…but i definately think she could of been a better mother if Henry let her. From the beginning of the marriage the only thing that mattered was having a boy and after Elizabeth was born the only think Henry cared about was getting that boy and Anne obviously was also very determined to get a boy a secure her and Elizabeth's safety.
• Grumble all you like, this is how it’s going to be.
2:20 pm
June 7, 2010
She was a good mother according to Tudor standards. She did what she could for Elizabeth and made sure to know about her daughter's progress, etc. But, Elizabeth was heiress presumptive and her father had a greater say into her life. Her position was that of a future Queen until her mother's death, so she was to be raised to be ready for such a position.
Having said that, Anne did play a role in her daughter's life, one that matched her role as Queen. Her main role though to to beget a male heir. But like KOA, she cared for her daughter's welfare, and no one can take that away from her.
She was not, sadly, a kind step-mother. Her and Mary's contentious relationship probably would never be overcome. Even if Anne had have survived and birthed a son, I doubt Mary's feelings for Anne would soften or vice-versa. Anne attempted to appease Mary and tried to break the ice, but demanding recognizing Anne as Queen was not the best way to go about it. Then again, whatever woman (according to Mary's thinking) who upsurped her mother would be held in total disregard.
When she pleaded with her chaplain, Matthew Parker to look after Elizabeth, she was there not as Queen, wife, daughter, sister; but as a mother, knowing a games afoot, and wanting to secure somekind of protection for her daughter, who she knew may life the rest of her life without a mother. I feel that situation was pure maternal instinct. A mother protecting her cub. It is something most mothers would do. Furthermore, Elizabeth honoured Parker by making him her first Archbishop of Canterbury. Another tipping the hat to her mother? I like to think so!
Given Anne's short life, and even shorter motherhood, she did impact Elizabeth's life, and that speaks more. Elizabeth remembered her mother and honoured her, despite Henry's attempt to eradicate Anne's memory. Regardless, Elizabeth knew her mother existed, no doubt loved her, and honoured her and her relatives. She was Anne's legacy, and Anne would have been proud. For me, that speaks to Anne's character as a mother.
"By daily proof you shall find me to be to you both loving and kind" Anne Boleyn