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Was Anne responsible for Elizabeth becoming Queen?
June 3, 2010
8:11 am
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Claire
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OK, we all know that Anne Boleyn was Elizabeth I's mother and so was partially responsible for Elizabeth becoming Queen in that she gave birth to her, but my research into Anne's fall and also the research of author Robert Parry into Elizabeth's adviser's (people like John Dee and William Cecil) has got me thinking that Anne put everything in place for Elizabeth to become Queen.

Let me explain…

In April 1536, Anne asked her chaplain, Matthew Parker, to look after Elizabeth if anything happened to her. Well, parker was not just any old chaplain or man, he was a member of the Cambridge set, a group of men who had all studied at Cambridge together – John Cheke, William Grindal, Anthony Cooke, Roger Ascham, John Dee and William Cecil. Interesting eh? You can read a great article on this subject at http://www.elizabethfiles.com/…..ions/3853/ but it looks like Anne was really setting her daughter up for success, doesn't it?

Debunking the myths about Anne Boleyn

June 3, 2010
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I'm really convinced that Elizabeth was Anne's great love, and that she had great expectations for her. Not only like all mother do, but with objectivity. Little Bess was a precocious child ( for exemple she clearly noticed the change from lady princess to lady Elizabeth). Add to this the fact that she was the best horse to bet on, since Mary was a bastard, and there Henry surely began to suffer from problems of impotence and infertility, Anne had the best place to know it. It wasn't sure that he would sire another child. So Anne surely organised her daughter's future education in order to make her a great queen…And to get her revenge too, maybe. She didn't utter the famous lines of Anne of the Thousand Days, but surely meant them, in a way.

June 3, 2010
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I like this theory!

Even if she weren't hoping her little girl would be groomed to be queen, Anne certainly did a good job of ensuring Elizabeth would share her beliefs, even if she didn't realize reform wouldn't be possible and that schism would result, instead. She had to know that, as intelligent as her little girl was, she would be a formidable proponent for her beliefs, given half a chance. So even if she weren't queen, she might still be important and influential. Which, being who she was, would put her in danger as well. So, if she was thinking that far ahead, she was also taking a calculated risk that Elizabeth would be canny enough to avoid those dangers.

It's not exactly fair to compare this to Jane and Edward, because Jane died so soon after his birth, but you can't help but see the different outcomes. Jane's little boy, who she hoped would bring his father and England back to Rome, was instead raised as a rabidly intolerant Protestant. He ultimately had little impact on history, as did his rabidly intolerant, but Catholic, sister Mary. Interesting how things worked out. There were a lot of things that could have prevented the Elizabethan Era, but Anne's intelligence and choices even during the most stressful time of her life, paid off in spades. Hail, Queen Anne! You were far more important than anyone at the time would have believed.

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June 4, 2010
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I'd put her on the short list for Greatest Monarch of all time, not just England.

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June 4, 2010
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I believe she had the foresight to make sure her daughter wasn't raised as a child of the catholic church. She wanted her daughter to promote the “true religion” as it was then. it was smart of her to have her surrounded by those she trusted. I'm sure she knew deep down that Elizabeth would be queen. no matter what anyone believed, as a daughter of Henry VIII she did have a place in the line of his heirs.. and she proved herself to be the best of them all.. 😉

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June 6, 2010
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I recently watched a favorite movie of mine, Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid.  Believe it or not, there is a quote from this movie that I believe applies to Anne in this situation.  It is one of my favorite quotes.  Although there were many in this movie.  The quote is from Butch to Sundance,  “I'm tellin' ya, I got vision and the rest of the world wears bifocals.” 

Anne definitely had vision when it came to her beloved Elizabeth.  One of the last things Anne did was make sure her daughter would be surrounded by the best reform scholars in England.  She made sure that Elizabeth would be a highly educated, and influential woman of her time, whether she became Queen or not.

June 8, 2010
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I think Impish and  Sharon make good points – about even if Anne did not imagine that her daughter would be Queen (it must have looked pretty unlikely at the time) she would surel have seen her as a special child who deserved the best education that could be provided. Maybe it is nice to think of some Grand Destiny and all that, but even if not, it is still a powerful idea, as presented in Robert's article. I think he did something a little while ago on mythology, yes? That there is a kind of Tudor mythology that is taking hold. So when you look at it in that way, it does not matter whether it is factual or not. Like he says at the end, it is an entertaining thought.

For anyone wanting to learn more about Robert's novel (highly recommended):

http://virginandthecrab.ash.com

All very thought-provoking. Great stuff! Thankyou Claire for bringing it to us. Really enjoy this kind of thing.

June 9, 2010
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I too would recommend Robert's novel – I tell everyone about it. It's one of those historical novels which is just as good for men, rather like the C J Sansom ones, whereas some historical ones only really appeal to women. His novel made me want to know more about John Dee and the men who surrounded Elizabeth, she was lucky to have such men on her side and it was Anne who arranged that.

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June 9, 2010
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Hi everyone!
Just to say how glad I am that you enjoyed the article. I am a regular ‘lurker’ here, so if you have any questions, I will be glad to respond sometime.
Yes, Lexi – even if she didn’t speak them, perhaps she would have thought those lines in her head, and then acted on them!
Impish – yes, it does indicates Anne’s intelligence, which is something often overlooked, I think.
Wreckmaster –  I agree, he would certainly have had a shock once he got up to heaven (or the other place) and looked out at what was happening in the world. 1603 and Elizabeth still Queen!
Sabrina – she would have wanted to make sure that Elizabeth carried on what she had begun, for sure. Perhaps she had a vision of how it would work out. I believe these things do happen to people, especially at times of crisis.
Sharon and Rochie – thanks for your comments and links. That was a great film, Sharon, wasn’t it! Anne certainly had vision – I am sure of it.
Claire – thanks again for hosting the article. You have a fabulous site here.

June 9, 2010
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I agree with the idea that Anne wanted her daughter to be successful regardless of whether or not she became queen, but that she also probably had the vision that Elizabeth would be very important someday.  Maybe this was because of Henry's impotence, like you mentioned, Lexy.  Or maybe Anne just knew that her baby had a purpose.  Knowing how intelligent and religious Anne was, I feel that she probably prayed fervently about the situation and felt led by God to talk to Matthew Parker.  Regardless of the hows and the whys, this whole concept of the “Cambridge connections” has made me love Anne even more than I did before.

By the way, Robert, I thoroughly enjoyed your article and plan to read your novel as soon as I get the chance!

June 10, 2010
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HannahL said:

Regardless of the hows and the whys, this whole concept of the “Cambridge connections” has made me love Anne even more than I did before.


Hannah, the more I research Anne the more in awe of her I am, she was such an amazing woman. I certainly don't put her on a pedestal and make her into some perfect goddess but what I actually love about her is that she was a woman with many flaws who did such amazing things. Like all of us, she had her faults and was obviously nasty and cruel at times, but her ambition, her intelligence, her passion and her foresight astound me – she was one driven lady!

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June 11, 2010
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wreckmasterjay said:

Hail, Queen Anne! You were far more important than anyone at the time would have believed.

Very True Impish_Impulse!

Its a pity that henry couldnt see just how succesful she was compared to the son and heir he had so longed for. Strange how things turn around but a very good ending. One, if not THE, greatest Monarch we have ever had.

I love this post and totally agree – if Henry had understood that inspite of popular opinion that only men were fit to rule the best Monarch of his three children was indeed Elizabeth and she not only ruled well and fairly – far more so than her siblings she also changed the way the World Powers saw Female Monarchs.  She was a better ruler than her Father IMO.  Henry was so foolish at times in his narrow view points – if he had known what we do things would have been different I suspect!

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