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What if a son had been born / what if she hadn't been executed?
May 16, 2014
3:48 pm
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Vivian Hester
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This is one of my favourite things to fantasize about. I really think that if Henry hadn’t been so desperate and just had let Anne be, she would have eventually given him a son. I mean, maybe there would have been more miscarriages and/or more daughters, but in the end, there would be sons, given that she was young and healthy. I think it is such a shame. If she had given him a son, then she would probably still have been jealous of his paying attention to other women, but he would never even consider sending her out, not the mother of his son and heir. Especially not if there would be more than one son and heir. Maybe he would have pushed her to withdraw from court and go live in a palace of her own, but he would never kill her, unless of course she really committed a crime but even if she did, he might still have found a way to have her go free – kill the one who accuses her, for example.

Also, I can’t help but wonder what would have become of Anne if he would have divorced her. We know that by the time of her miscarriage, Henry apparently started talking to Cromwell about ways to get rid of her and not having to return to Catherine. What if he had? What if he would, say, have sent her to a nunnery? Would she have gone? I seriously doubt her family would have taken her back, since they would think she ruined it for herself. I like to think that if she went to a nunnery, she would have eventually gotten out. She would return to court, win Henry over once more and this time actually give him a son. That happened too with the Henry Percy thing, when she returned from France. It would have been so nice if she had stayed alive and could at least have been a mother to Elizabeth. I’m sure Anne would have fought with her life to protect and take care of her daughter, in ways Catherine never did, I think.

I guess we’ll never know… would be so nice to change history.

Anne Boleyn: just a strong woman with incredible dignity who lived in an era that didn't approve of that.

May 16, 2014
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If Anne had lived etc I doubt she would have lived long enough to enjoy her freedom so to speak. There is a rumour that Henry offered her way out, basically it was give up all rights and titles including those of Elizabeth and go abroad with her. I think if that was said she would have seen sraight through it for what it was, in short a murder plot. Because if she had gone abroad with Elizabeth 3 months or maybe 6 months down the line the would suddenly develop a fatal disease such as meeting with Henry’s assassins and no one will ever know, they would simply disaapear off the face of the earth, without a trace.. it would be Anne? Anne who?
Anne knew that in order to save Elizabeth inheritence and her life, that she would have to sacrifice her own life. Anne is my heroine, a woman of tremendous courage, she took on a lion and won.. She lost her life in the struggle, but she gave us all the greatest gift she could give us, Elizabeth.
She was a forward thinking free spirit. Vivat Anne I say…

Semper Fidelis, quod sum quod

May 17, 2014
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Vivian Hester said

This is one of my favourite things to fantasize about. I really think that if Henry hadn’t been so desperate and just had let Anne be, she would have eventually given him a son. I mean, maybe there would have been more miscarriages and/or more daughters, but in the end, there would be sons, given that she was young and healthy.

By our standards Anne was young being between 24( birthdate of 1509) and 32 (bd of 1501) at the time of Elizabeth’s birth..However as a noblewoman of her era, she was old to be starting on her first pregnancy. I was 33 when I was pregnant with DD1 and in medical terms an elderly primagravida and had the advantages of a 20th Century medical facility …

In Tudor terms Anne didn’t have time..KoA’s last pregnancy was at age 35 . Yes..then as well as now some women had healthly children into thier 40s and fifties..but Henry wasn’t prepared to wait. He had gambled everything of value on getting a legitimate son from Anne as quickly as possible.

Once Katherine died..and Anne miscarried, Henry had the leisure to reflect on his sudden doubts…

It's always bunnies.

May 18, 2014
4:35 pm
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Anyanka…your math? Confused If Anne was born in 1501, the date I think is the one that makes sense, she would have been 35 in 1536. We don’t know how long she would have been fertile after that. Henry wasn’t going to wait and find out either. Jane was no spring chicken either. I think she was 29. (If we go by the date of 1507 for her birth date or 27 1509)

May 18, 2014
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It’s so difficult to tell how old Anne actually was, the birth records, weren’t as precise as they are today, I’m inclined to think that she was in her mid 20’s, around 25/6 when she had Elizabeth, so she had a few more years of predctive childbirth left in her.. Even so 26/7 was considered quite old to be having your first baby.
I read somewhere that she was among one of Mary Tudor’s ladies in waiting when Mary went to France to mary the old French King.. If my lousy stinking memory serves the book said she was about 7, putting her DOB at around 1507.

It seems funny that bar K.H all his wives were all past the age of 25.

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May 18, 2014
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Anne was under a lot of stress almost from the time of Elizabeth birth. I feel that their relationship was on a downhill slope from the time of Elizabeth’s birth. I wonder did he have any other mistresses while he was courting Anne? Because I feel that he only really started pestering other woman for sexual favours after Elizabeth’s birth. in his mind at least I think he felt as if Anne had betrayed him, she had promised him a son but she hadn’t delivered the goods, therefore she had lied to him etc.
If she had, had a son the pressure would have still been upon to produce a spare and mabe just one more in case of some major catastophe. The miscarriage of 1536, was unfortunate, but put yourself in Anne’s shoes about what was going on in Henry’s mind at the time.. Firstly all the time KOA was alive Anne was safe, as Henry couldn’t divorse her, Catherine was in affect Anne safety blanket. Henry’s eye had already started to wander again, this time to Jane Seymour. Dr Dave believes Henry was grooming Jane to be a casual mistress and I believe that he was right, Anne’s miscarriage was the turning point on the whole kit and kaboddle there.
Althought when they heard of Catherine’s death they dressed in Bright yellow, it wasn’t actually in praise of the fact that Catherine was dead, it was in fact as a mark of respect. Yellow at that that time was the colour of royal mourning. It’s possible I suppose that Anne went a little OTT in her triumph so to speak, which has gone down in history as them celebrating that Catherine was dead.. You can understand it to a degree because all the Catholics of England still saw Mary as legal heir, because Henry had committed bigmamy, by marrying Anne when Catherine was still alive, therefore any son that Anne and Henry had would be declared a bastard and in all likely hood a civil war would have erupted, if Catherine was still alive Henry had died, no matter how many sons he had. Anne was now truly Queen of England so I guess she had a reason to be happy.
Henry’s fall I don’t think he was unconcious for 2 hours, maybe half and hour tops, brought home to Anne just how important it was for her produce a son.
Her shock at hearing Henry had been hurt in a fall was stress enough but I believe that odious cretinous jumped up poppingjay Norfolk, was rather
brutal in the way he explained it, so he may have caused her more harm then good, I guess there is no nice way of telling someone that they have been hurt but Norfolk was about as subtle as a helicopter on a tudor tennis court when he told her. Her ladies seeing her obvious upset might have summoned her Doctor who gave her a posset which contained something, which under normal circumstances would calm shatered and frayed, nerves, but in this case IMO had a very different affect and caused her to miscarry instead.. Hemlock can do that as can Tansy root.

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