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8:24 pm
April 20, 2010
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I love the “subject” of Anne Boleyn, and I feel sorry for the woman.
Whenever I read about her trial and murder, I get short of breath and feel like my own hands are tied behind my back and I am powerless to help myself. I cannot believe how she was betrayed and lied on, despite her committing adultery(heavy petting and going around as someone's “girlfriend” qualifies as adultery in my book) with Henry while he was married, and marrying the father of her niece and nephew.
I can't love her because of her faults….I can't help remembering them, because whenever I think the question: “Was there something that Anne could have done to save herself?” My answer is always: “Yes, left Henry alone and married a nice man of her class.”
The subject is fascinating.
4:24 am
September 8, 2013
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Nikki08 said
I love the “subject” of Anne Boleyn, and I feel sorry for the woman.
Whenever I read about her trial and murder, I get short of breath and feel like my own hands are tied behind my back and I am powerless to help myself. I cannot believe how she was betrayed and lied on, despite her committing adultery(heavy petting and going around as someone’s “girlfriend” qualifies as adultery in my book) with Henry while he was married, and marrying the father of her niece and nephew.
I can’t love her because of her faults….I can’t help remembering them, because whenever I think the question: “Was there something that Anne could have done to save herself?” My answer is always: “Yes, left Henry alone and married a nice man of her class.”
The subject is fascinating.
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But using your definition of adultery, only Henry was commiting it. Henry was the married man so he should take the responsibilty not Anne who was single and could do whatever she wanted. There is no solid evidence that either Henry or Catherine Carey were Henry’s children. And no Anne could not have done anything to prevent Henry. Anne wanted to marry Henry Percy at first but when Wolsey broke up the marriage (presumably on Henry’s orders) Anne was devastated. Henry VIII began pursuing her, Anne fled to Hever. Henry began sending her love letter after love letter, convincing Anne that he truly love her. And what makes you think that Anne iniated the affiar? It was Henry who started half staking/half pursuing her. Henry is the one to blame for her death, not Anne heself
4:44 am
November 18, 2010
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To be honest..I’m far more intereasted in war and social history than kings and queen’s..but the whole Tudor stuff is highly compelling because it crosses the bounderies..
I’d love to see how the News of the screws..er World or the Sunday Spurt..er Sport would have covered the era..
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4:53 am
November 18, 2010
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Mimico said
But using your definition of adultery, only Henry was commiting it. Henry was the married man so he should take the responsibilty not Anne who was single and could do whatever she wanted.
Anne wasn’t free to “do whatever she wanted” sexual crimes fell more heavily on the female participent then as now…sighs!
Under Bibical( Canon law)..sex outside of marriage was fornication..which was a sin regardless of one party or another being married/bethrothed/single..
If Anne was indulging in extra-martial sex..she was still sinning under Church law. It didn’t matter if she was single, Henry was single, either of them were married to other people..Sex outside the bonds of marriage at that time was a sin and that made it fornication and/or adultery depending on which was considered the one of the worst sins at that time.
eta cos I can speel
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5:06 am
September 8, 2013
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sorry Ankanya , i didn’t mean it like that.
i often have trouble expressing my thoughts clearly. A problem i should really fix…
yes i know that Anne had lots of restrictions on and i also know she wasn’t free to do what she wanted.
I was trying to say that adultery means you are intimate with someone outside of marriage and since Anne was married this does not apply to her, only Henr who was married.
5:07 am
September 8, 2013
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oops meant *Anne was NOT married
5:58 am
May 3, 2013
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I’m not really a great fan of Anne (though I do admire her); however, I feel her intelligence & progressive views were wasted on a self-obsessed and selfish man like Henry. Similarly, I find it difficult to consider her a feminist icon/pioneer, except as an example for us modern people given that the concept of feminism was near-unthinkable back then…despite the existence & example of some amazing women in Anne’s time and before.
Ironically, I find Anne and the members of her sex to be stronger & more righteous personalities than her feckless husband even in tragedy and death, let alone in life. For me, telling chapters of her story unfold immediately before and after Anne’s execution: her triumph over her corrupt judges and rapacious enemies in court (no genuflection but magnanimity & stoicism in the face of her false accusers; a real victory of dignity and superior spirit). And, after the swordsman had his way, Anne’s ‘sisters’ – her Ladies – took her body beyond the touch and gaze of the men responsible for her unjust fall. Let the men who ruled that world have their ‘show business’ of unmerited power, shallow display and cruel, convenient lawmaking; Anne’s women helped her find peace, a far greater thing than male posturing and pretence. A Pyrrhic victory, perhaps, but one which is nevertheless beyond the vanities of this world.
12:36 am
November 18, 2010
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Mimico said
sorry Ankanya , i didn’t mean it like that.
i often have trouble expressing my thoughts clearly. A problem i should really fix…
yes i know that Anne had lots of restrictions on and i also know she wasn’t free to do what she wanted.
I was trying to say that adultery means you are intimate with someone outside of marriage and since Anne was married this does not apply to her, only Henr who was married.
No problems..I’ve had a nasty cold this week and the meds have affected my ability to be nice at times..so I should apologise to you as well..
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3:31 pm
January 3, 2012
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I recommend that you read Claire Ridgway’s books on Anne Boleyn. She is an excellent author, and has done so much work in recreating the woman, behind the myth and glamourisation that so many people seem to believe. Another book which is equally as good, is Clare Cherry’s book about George Boleyn.
Semper Fidelis, quod sum quod
6:51 pm
January 3, 2012
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Unfortuately damning reviews are all part and package of any book ever written. A writer’s life if not an easy one, and in my opinion factual authors seem to cop a lot more flack than fictional ones. Fictional authors can to a certain degree bend the rules slightly and use a little bit of poetic licence when writing their books, (SWMNBN) P.G does it all the time. It’s those little broken rules that make her books popular.
However both Claire Ridgway and Clare Cherry take these negative reviews as water off a duck’s back.
Both of them are extremely talanted, and when you read their books you will see just how passionate they are about their writing.
Personally I never read any reviews about any books, fictional or fact, good or bad. I always prefer to make my own mind up.
Semper Fidelis, quod sum quod
12:31 am
November 18, 2010
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davetee said
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I recommend that you read Claire Ridgway’s books on Anne Boleyn. She is an excellent author, and has done so much work in recreating the woman, behind the myth and glamourisation that so many people seem to believe.
Have to say…there aresome pretty damning reviews on Amazon
I saw several that complained about the informal style and use of Google as a resource. But since the first book* was compiled from Claire’s blog posts, I’m not overly bothered by that.
* I can’t remember off hand if any of her others were…and my internet server is glitchy today and Ihave only limited access to a few sites…boo!
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4:09 pm
February 24, 2010
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Claire’s Anne Boleyn Collection Books (2) are a compilation of her essays from this site which she wrote. She always used primary sources. The Fall of Anne Boleyn is taken from primary sources. She lists them all. Not like some authors who make you guess where the information came from. The book about George, George Boleyn Tudor Poet Courtier & Diplomat, by Claire and Clare was thoroughly researched using primary sources. It took years of investigating to get it right.
To say either author got her info from google is such an insult, and wreaks of ignorance.
9:06 am
Firstly, I’m Mexican. Probably for English or British people when they’re in school they learn about Anne Boleyn and other British monarchs. In my case no; what I learned at History classes was the Discovery of America, the Colonization of America, the Independence of Mexico, Mexican Revolution, etc.
So, my first contact with Anne Boleyn was when I saw the movie The Other Boleyn Girl. I liked the story and I began to investigate. As more I read more I felt Anne Boleyn was amazing, she and her daughter, Elizabeth I. Tragic lifes, but also very passionate lifes. What I really admire of Anne Boleyn is that thanks to her influence in Henry VIII was created the Church of England. This is an important step in the current British monarchy, because the King or Queen isn’t only the monarch, but also the Head of the Church in England.
She has also been named “the Queen Consort most important England has ever had”, because she provided the occasion to England broke with Rome. Supposedly she used St. Edward’s Crown in her coronation in 1533, unprecedented for a queen consort. Her influence was huge in Henry VIII.
Sometimes I felt she was a feminist of her time and a wise ruler; the only thing she had against her she was very histerical and her beliefs in ancient magic and old prophecies took her to insanity. However I think her daughter inherited much of her strong and wise character, she even took feminism to a new level of her age by deciding not to marry.
Sometimes I like to think her fall and disgrace was necessary for the success of her only child. Probably if she and Henry had a son and their happily ever after, Elizabeth would have been raised as a Princess with no empowerment and probably she would marry as it was common in her age. I like to think she gave the best she could give to the British Monarchy: total power to the monarch with a Church independent of Rome, and one of the most important monarchs of England, Elizabeth I.
This is why I love and I’m obssesed with Anne Boleyn.
5:10 pm
I love Anne Boleyn because…
she simply did not fit the mold of a Queen during her time
she was a contradiction
she attempted to control her destiny
she was the catalyst for great change
she was misuderstood
I believe she was pushed into making a life changing decision by men
fate was not kind
her life was not in vain
Anne Boleyn is and was a fascinating person. We know a lot and yet we understand so little. Anne Boleyn continues to intrigue us!
