It was your phrasing that created the dichotomy of being either Catholic or heretic, and when I registered my objection, you mocked my being offended, so I'm not sure why I should have to give you the benefit of the doubt regarding your intent.

And now I'm done, so whale away at me as you please. I won't respond again.

Please good people, this is an adult forum for historical debate, where we are sometimes going to disagree on points of history and other details, but we should always remain respectful of other peoples opinions and beliefs. We can all make a comment, albeit with no intention of causing offence, that someone can object to, because of a deeply held and sincere belief. Once this fact has been made known I think an apology is in order. However unintentional, or misplaced, we may think the complaint is, we should apologise, because, as in this case, a comment has caused offence. A simple sorry would have sufficed, we do not add to the perceived insult by making light of it, or indeed mocking a forum member by questioning their need for an apology. I do not want to sound sanctimonious, or indeed now be the target of unwelcome comments by making this stand, but I felt I had to say something when I can see things that are just plain out of order.

We are, I like to think, a happy band of like minded people, who share a common interest. Please, let's not spoil this great forum by getting into unwelcome personal insults. I know this wasn't my place to get involved, but when something is wrong, it's wrong and I felt I could stand by no longer.

E, I thank you for your reply and your comments are duly noted.

I believe this issue has been allowed to go too far and should now be put to bed, so to speak. However much you believed you were in the right, a simple sorry would have resolved the issue and avoided any unpleasantness. I'm sorry if this sounds judgemental, it just seemed (from an outside perspective) the obvious and most diplomatic solution to resolve an issue that quickly got out of hand.

I made my comment in order to try and resolve things, not to drag this matter on further and as such therefore, whatever your views as to the wronged party in this matter, I think we should now close this thread, move on and get back to doing what this forum does best. I.E. discussing historical matters in a calm, logical and informed manner, to the greater knowledge and enjoyment of all of us on this great forum.

YES!!!! GOD WILLING THAT COLD, BLOODLESS, SOULESS MONSTER IS BURNING IN HELL FOR ALL OF ETERNITY! 

It doesn't matter what religion you are or what religion you were. It didn't matter if you were man, woman or child, learned or feeble minded. If you did not agree with him on THAT day, whatever day that may be…he had you tortured and/or killed. Even if he just changed his mind at the drop of a hat. If you didn't do an about face with him…Immediately…you were dead. Period. End of story. No explanations. No chance to clear yourself. You were done. How does he deserve better? I am a Catholic, HOWEVER, I do not believe in disrespecting another persons religion. To each his own. I have a strong faith in God, Jesus and the Blessed Virgin Mary. It brings me personal comfort. However, I do not believe in ALL doctrine of the catholic faith, as it is man-made, so as all things man made it is best guess and often times self-serving. I believe that Jesus is merciful, I believe the Mary is full of Grace AND I believe in the WRATH of God and that it comes down like Thunder on those who deserve it. No last minute repentance out of fear is going to save you.

Kimberly

juliane said

Henry is neither in heaven nor hell…he’s on earth working it out. Lol

I agree with you on that one!

If there is a hell then yes he’s there.

I don’t really believe in the concept of Heaven and Hell, but there are people who believe this is Hell, or rather that we live in a Hell of our own making. When I look at the world I sometimes have some sympathy with the theory.

Hmmm if King Henry VIII made himself Supreme Head of the Church, he would have known what the 7 deadly sins of the Christian faith are: Lust (he went for our Queen Anne to begin with, plus all the women he had as mistresses), Gluttony (I hear his court would always show off with great feasts and hardly eat any veggies or fruit because nature’s foods were seen for the poor!), Greed (he and King Francis kept fighting about who was better/had more of what), Sloth (maybe when his leg was bad, but I won’t say he was lazy), Wrath (OK so he likes bullying or killing people when he doesn’t get his way), Envy (he was envious of King Francis, even of his mistress Mary Boleyn too!), Pride (we are talking about King Henry here, LOL – he IS the definition of pride). So in a Christian sense, just by going through the 7 deadly sins list, it doesn’t look too good for Henry to be accepted into Heaven with a record like that…but yes, of course it is up to God to judge us….but I also agree that if at the hour of his death King Henry truly was sorry for all he had done and repented, then he has the right to ask for God’s forgiveness. Anyways, I am still on Anne and George Boleyn’s side – they were innocent victims of Henry’s sick games….I don’t see Henry any different to a modern day wife-killer – he should have gone to jail but because he was the ultimate authority, people had to keep quiet. PS I get sooo peed off at King Henry’s big clock at Hampton Court (just by looking at pics on the internet – I hear this clock is huge), because it is of the star-signs….once again I’m seeing a lot of hypocrisy from King Henry regarding his faith – if he was once again the Supreme Head of the Church, what is he doing with a clock that shows astrology – which the Bible says is an abomination to God – ?????? Some things just don’t make sense.

I think that Henry regretted a lot of things he did in his life, and certainly his concious plagued him towards the end of his life. I believe he asked for prayers to be said for all eternity etc to save his soul from pergatory.
Heaven and Hell back then were tangable and as real to them as sliced bread is to us now.
So putting the Hell aspect on things back then Yes Henry would be in hell, in modern day terms No Henry is just a pile of bones in a box in Westminster Abbey.

It is allegded that the last thing he said before Cramner was called to his side was “Monks, Monks.” Of course when Cramner came he was beyond all speech, and just squeezed Cramner hand in answer to Cramner’s question. If it’s true about the “Monks Monks” bit it does make me wonder about what was going through his mind? (well it was that tiny it was probably fresh air)