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July 31, 2011
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And if we still have this info 475 years later, how much evidence of a fix was there at the time? Even Chapuys didn't believe the charges at the time and HE hated her.

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July 31, 2011
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There you go , Impish, using logic and stuff…Laugh

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July 31, 2011
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Wacky, I know… Wink

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August 1, 2011
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I think it's that fact that on her website she describes Warnicke's book as 'particularly strong' but there's no reference to Ives. I just wish I got paid for writing books the way she does!

August 2, 2011
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Warnicke's book 'particularly strong'?  No one else agreed with her theories at all, so what makes her book strong exactly?  The fact that it agreed with PG's own crackpot theories perhaps?

August 2, 2011
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If it is used a a doorstop, that would define it as strong wouldn't it?

August 2, 2011
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Laugh Laugh Laugh

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August 23, 2011
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BlueAquaOcean said:

What does everyone think of her? I can see why people hate her.I mean really,the way she painted Elizabeth in Virgins Lover was that she was so STUPID! If that's really how she acted, I can see why people hate her.And in the White Queen the characters are reptitious:

“Darling, is your meat exceptionaly chewy?” I paused and chewed my meat for a moment. “Yes, dear,” I replied, “the meat is very chewy. Very chewy indeed. In fact, I agree that it is exceptionally chewy.” Edward looked at me for a moment while chewing and chewing his meat. “Darling, I think that I have never encountered anything like the chewiness of this chewy meat since that particularly chewy rack of lamb I had back in 1465.” I returned Edward's amourous look while I continued to chew and chew and chew my particularly and extraordinarily chewy meat. “Yes, dear, that chewy rack of lamb back in 1465 was exceptionally chewy. In fact, that was a very strong year for exceptionally chewy meat. But this is nowhere near as chewy as the chewiful chewiness of the particularly chewy brisket we had a Blackfriars in 1469.” “Really?” Edward paused while working and chewing a particularly chewy piece of meat in his mouth. “Well, you may have a point, but the chewiness of this chewy meat is so chewy that I don't think I can chew it any more.”

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I saw the title and read the back of the book and what it was about, and at that time I thought the idea so absurd as to not even try to read it. I was in “Friends of the Library” and purchased “The Other Boleyn Girl,” “The White Queen,” The Red Queen,” and the one about Mary Queen of Scots and her captivity. I know too much about Elizabeth I to even fathom or fictionalize that she had a child. I think it was STUPID as well.

I have read “The White Queen,” yet, but I understand it is better than “The Red Queen,” so we'll see.  I have not come across “The Other Boleyn Inheritance” yet,  will get it is I can.

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August 23, 2011
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BlueAquaOcean said:

What does everyone think of her? I can see why people hate her.I mean really,the way she painted Elizabeth in Virgins Lover was that she was so STUPID! If that's really how she acted, I can see why people hate her.And in the White Queen the characters are reptitious:

“Darling, is your meat exceptionaly chewy?” I paused and chewed my meat for a moment. “Yes, dear,” I replied, “the meat is very chewy. Very chewy indeed. In fact, I agree that it is exceptionally chewy.” Edward looked at me for a moment while chewing and chewing his meat. “Darling, I think that I have never encountered anything like the chewiness of this chewy meat since that particularly chewy rack of lamb I had back in 1465.” I returned Edward's amourous look while I continued to chew and chew and chew my particularly and extraordinarily chewy meat. “Yes, dear, that chewy rack of lamb back in 1465 was exceptionally chewy. In fact, that was a very strong year for exceptionally chewy meat. But this is nowhere near as chewy as the chewiful chewiness of the particularly chewy brisket we had a Blackfriars in 1469.” “Really?” Edward paused while working and chewing a particularly chewy piece of meat in his mouth. “Well, you may have a point, but the chewiness of this chewy meat is so chewy that I don't think I can chew it any more.”

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I saw the title and read the back of the book and what it was about, and at that time I thought the idea so absurd as to not even try to read it. I was in “Friends of the Library” and purchased “The Other Boleyn Girl,” “The White Queen,” The Red Queen,” and the one about Mary Queen of Scots and her captivity. I know too much about Elizabeth I to even fathom or fictionalize that she had a child. I think it was STUPID as well.

I have read “The White Queen,” yet, but I understand it is better than “The Red Queen,” so we'll see.  I have not come across “The Other Boleyn Inheritance” yet,  will get it is I can.

What do you think?

"This is the Lord's doing; it is marvellous in our eyes." Psalms 118:23

August 24, 2011
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Just by way of a little add on regarding PG, did anybody in the UK catch last nights drama-documentary on the National Geographic channel concerning the murder of Robert Dudley's wife and the part Elizabeth may, or may not, have had in this?

They trotted out their Tudor history “expert”, and yes, it was PG! I have to say she gave (on the surface) a good case for her theory and seemed to be well versed and intelligent regarding the subject matter. However, when I broke out of this hypnotic spell, I soon realised that she was cherry-picking the facts to back up her own theory, whilst conveniently choosing to ignore any facts or possibilities which could lead to conclusions other than her own (her theory by the way, is that William Cecil, Lord Burghley, ordered the deed in order to ensure Dudley could never marry Elizabeth, due to the suspicion that would fall on him). It was however easy to see her mass appeal to those prepared to accept her view on events as definitive. All in all rather worrying. Any viewpoints?

August 24, 2011
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I've heard of the programme but I've not seen it yet.

 

Isn't Wier of the same opinion, that it was a plot by Cecil?

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August 24, 2011
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I saw it ages ago, but I didn't really form any opinion about it other than that I would say her death was certainly suspicious and I wouldn't say it was a simple case of her falling down the stairs. As for who was responsible, I haven't read enough about it to have reached a conclusion.

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August 24, 2011
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Aliison Weir and Phillipa Gregory. Two peas in a nasty little pod. Which one is worse? Pot luck really. 

August 24, 2011
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Haha everytime i go to the library i hide Phillpa's book either behind all the books or under the shelves. They're evil i tell you !!!!!

And if i'm in bookstores i grab them and accidently  throw em in the trash or hide em in the kids sections. I'm not lieing either. I really truly honestly do these because i hate her books !

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August 24, 2011
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mea culpa….I ….picked up a pg by mistake today…..I'm going to sit in a corner and beg forgivenesss…….

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August 24, 2011
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Has PG written any 'factual' history books, or does she stick to writing fairy tales?

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August 25, 2011
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Unfortunately too many people make a lot of money from her work in one form or another, ergo nobody is going to call these works of fiction for what they are, so those who don't know any better therefore believe what they are reading is the real deal. A case of the emperor's new clothes, perhaps?

August 25, 2011
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Neil Kemp said:

Unfortunately too many people make a lot of money from her work in one form or another, ergo nobody is going to call these works of fiction for what they are, so those who don't know any better therefore believe what they are reading is the real deal. A case of the emperor's new clothes, perhaps?


Well said, Neil, although I also feel the same way, perhaps more, about Alison Weir. Due to her prolific writing and her high profile far too many people take what she says as gospel without taking the time to investigate her work. Emperor's new clothes indeed where she is concerned.   

August 25, 2011
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I used to be a member of Tudor Wiki, and there was a whole thread on Weir's sources not being factual. As far as PG is concerned I am reading “The Other Boleyn Girl” now strictly for fun. She is a mistress of picking cherries to making Anne look as bad a possible. I am a European History graduate, and although I like historical fiction as great deal, and like to know the characters as well before reading a book, PG is laughable at the very least. When I looked at her site I was amazed at her self-promotion as well. As a graduate with an M.A. in Library and Information Science, and I don't like PG all that much, is it really fair to exercise censorship to hide books by her? Would we like it if someone made the decisions of what we read. I don't think the Joe and Jane America would like us making their reading decisions for them. Would we like that for us? This is how we got to know PG with which to begin?

Any thoughts?

BTW, I am going to the bookstore where I bought the PG books and returning them for credit to buy something decent, but at least I've been given the opportunity to read her garbage before enacting my First Amendment rights.

Luckily I bought the books before joining this site, and forum. There are so many wonderfully educated and likeable people here. Thank you!

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August 25, 2011
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Love the comparison about “The Emperor's New Clothes.” It is quite apt to what Neil is saying. Unlike my last post, it is true that money is made from her work, even public libraries across the country, book jacket designers, agents, other places that sell her work. Hopefully in bookstores, and I know libraries do, put her books in the fiction section. Although it's technically called “historical fiction,” this lady almost prostitutes the subject title. Thank you! Smile

Louise said:

Neil Kemp said:

Unfortunately too many people make a lot of money from her work in one form or another, ergo nobody is going to call these works of fiction for what they are, so those who don't know any better therefore believe what they are reading is the real deal. A case of the emperor's new clothes, perhaps?


Well said, Neil, although I also feel the same way, perhaps more, about Alison Weir. Due to her prolific writing and her high profile far too many people take what she says as gospel without taking the time to investigate her work. Emperor's new clothes indeed where she is concerned.   


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