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9:38 am
February 24, 2010
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Hi Dangerousmezzo, and welcome.
Living in America, and never having studied the different accents of England, I didn't realize the difffernce. I take it that would be like a southerner playing the part of a northerner in America. It wouldn't work for us.
I think poetic license was taken quite a bit in The Tudors. As for the death scenes, I think they used every gory death they ever heard of in England's history, and put in the show. That's what sells. There were many who met their deaths poorly while others were brave and true right to their dying breath. An example was Margaret Pole. She ran from the executioner and he chased her around that scaffold hacking away. When her death was imminent on the show, I told my husband how she died and that I wouldn't watch it. I'm so glad they didn't show that ugly scene.
I was upset by the way they interpreted Anne's last miscarriage by saying the fetus was deformed. There is no evidence of that being true. That may have come from Chapuys who certainly never saw the fetus. Anne's enemies may have started the rumor.
All in all however, I am enjoying The Tudors and cannot wait for the new season.
10:54 pm
August 17, 2009
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Catherine of Aragon died on January 7 . On the Tudors, however the scene right after Catherine's death there were the May Day celabrations.
That makes me think: Anne was wearing yellow in the scene, as a colour of mourning for Catherine of Aragon. Surely Anne and Henry didn't still mourn for Catherine 5 months on?
Just one little thing I picked up. Overall I greatly enjoy the Tudors, I recently rewatched seasons 1-3 with my mum, like me, she had doubts at the start but ended up really liking it. Can't wait for season 4!
6:12 am
December 9, 2010
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Personally I think Michael Hirst should be locked in a darkened room, preferably one of those mock ups he had in the Tudors in the Tower of London, and be forced to read any good biography on Katherine Howard.
I think he had backed himself into a corner by not making Henry grow grotesque looking and should have ignored the remark made by JRM that people want to look at lovely things on tv, as this is a ridiculous thing to say and patronises the viewing public. As JRM was still quite sexy and young looking and constantly having loads of sex with her, it then begged the question of why she needed to have an affair so of course he had to make her promiscuous. Also he had to have that ridiculous plot with Jane Rochford and Culpepper keeping Katherine away from the king when he was ill.
He also completely omitted Anne's romance with Henry Percy which was very important and just left it as a flirtation with Wyatt and she wasnt manoeuved into court by her scheming family as she was already present at court.
The first meeting with Anne of Cleves was a disaster because Henry and an entourage dressed in disguise as part of a masquerade and she was supposed to pretend not to recognise him – she was then supposed to accept his advances and kiss him – this was part of the court games but she didnt know this and rebuffed him because she didnt know what Henry looked like This was a huge blow to his ego – oh and he never called her a Flanders mare. I've read about this incident on a couple of occasions but feel free to question it!
12:32 am
August 12, 2009
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cj1234 said:
Personally I think Michael Hirst should be locked in a darkened room, preferably one of those mock ups he had in the Tudors in the Tower of London, and be forced to read any good biography on Katherine Howard.
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The first meeting with Anne of Cleves was a disaster because Henry and an entourage dressed in disguise as part of a masquerade and she was supposed to pretend not to recognise him – she was then supposed to accept his advances and kiss him – this was part of the court games but she didnt know this and rebuffed him because she didnt know what Henry looked like This was a huge blow to his ego – oh and he never called her a Flanders mare. I've read about this incident on a couple of occasions but feel free to question it!
Ha! I like that suggestion.
I know the 'Flanders mare' remark was a later invention. And the part about how Anne was supposed to let this stranger kiss her? Well, as her ladies found out when questioning her later, turns out her mother had told her that being kissed by a man could get you pregnant! 
And Henry had already executed one wife on immorality charges, so she wasn't going there! Incidentally, when asked if the marriage had been consummated, she said the king kissed her good night and slept in bed beside her, so “Duh! Isn't that enough?” (paraphrased, obviously) And she was quite shocked to find out there was more to it than that.
"Don't knock at death's door.
Ring the bell and run. He hates that."
3:06 pm
December 22, 2010
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I was confused as to why in the series they showed Mary Tudor getting married to the King of Portugal when I think she married King Louis XII of France on March 18, 1495? Maybe I am not correct…? The series followed quite closely the real facts about Henry and his reign, this could have been a big mistake if true. Could someone help me with this……….
3:32 pm
December 22, 2010
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Can anyone tell me why King Henry refers to his sister who married Sir Charles Brandon as Margaret and not as Mary? Henry had two sisters, Mary and Margaret. It was Mary who married King Louis XII and Sir Charles Brandon. Also I felt it a shame that no reference was made in the series, “The Tudors” about his sister Margaret as that would have been an interesting part of the story.
9:17 pm
August 12, 2009
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David, the whole “Marygret” issue is discussed on page 1 and 2 of this very thread!
Re: Charles; he does come across as only out for himself. Found another thing about Charles. It was an iffy thing that happened before his first marriage.
http:// englishhistory.net/ tudor/ relative/ brandon.html The link worked! Sorta. Remove the spaces first.
Apparently he was engaged to Anne Brown, but no marriage ceremony followed, even after their first child was born. At that point, he repudiated their common-law marriage and instead married Anne's elderly, wealthy aunt. That caused a huge stink, both because of his obvious greed and because Anne's family pursued legal action about it. The marriage to Margaret was annulled, and Charles had to at last marry Anne in a public ceremony. They had another child and Anne died two years later.
Later that same year, he betrothed himself to Elizabeth Grey, his 8 year-old orphaned ward and a wealthy heiress, but that money/power grab was foiled, too, by Elizabeth herself.
Then he snapped up the king's sister without Henry's consent OR knowledge. And when Mary died, he waited only 3 months before marrying himself off to another orphaned, wealthy heiress who was also his ward.
And this man enjoyed Henry's enduring friendship and trust!?! Although they similarly had preferred 'hunting grounds' – Henry poached from his current wife's ladies-in-waiting, while Charles went after the young, wealthy girls whose guardianships had been sold or out-right given to him. Guardians were allowed access to their wards' funds, etc., so they were perks that other high-ranking officials squabbled over.
"Don't knock at death's door.
Ring the bell and run. He hates that."
