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Close To You (Emotional Attachments to the Tudors)
June 15, 2010
11:52 am
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TinaII2None
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Hello again Jenny!

I'm going to try to get up to Scotland when I visit next time, so no, I haven't seen Edinburgh Castle yet, although it is at the top of my list. So I'll keep the Scottish Crown Jewels in mind.

The English Crown Jewels were stunning, although — in 2000 — you were on a sort of sliding walkway which enabled you to glide by the display! I had barely gotten “Oh my…” out of my mouth than something else came along and I was going “Oh my…” before yet another piece caught my eye! Just breathtaking. I think I remember reading once — and forgive me if I'm wrong; I work nights, haven't been to bed yet LOL and have one more night before I'm off — that the original crown of Edward the Confessor was broken down/dismantled/sold-off during the Oliver Cromwell's Commonwealth. (I put all three possibilities because I just can't remember right now, but the source was in the reference notes to Mary Luke's A Crown for Elizabeth).

I would like to go back to Thornbury Castle and stay the night again (maybe longer this time). I was very happy the two days I was there, and even with the rain, managed to walk into Thornbury and even had a chance to relax in the Baron's private library since he wasn't home and I was told I could have access to it! (Here's a thumbnail of my room, the Duke's Jewel Chamber: http://media.vonessenhotels.co…../7/351.jpg). So okay, yes, I might have had a glimpse of something supernatural while I was walking in the gardens after dinner one night…. Laugh

I hope if I ever return to the Tower, I'll have the same experience you had with the Beefeaters. It's been 10 years now so there may have been a huge change in staff. The one Beefeater who was very nice had a Jack the Ripper walking tour and we'd gone on it the night before. I was surprised — considering all the people he met — he remembered my friend and me when we saw him at the Tower. I was sorry we weren't in his Tower tour group — he was a wonderful guide! 

Henry: Mistress Anne, will you teach the king of England how they dance in the French court?
Anne: There is nothing that France can teach England, your majesty.
King Henry VIII: Well said. Well said.
– Anne of the Thousand Days (1969)

June 16, 2010
12:23 pm
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Sorry to hear about the Beefeaters at the Tower, that makes me a bit sad as it was through the guides at the Tower that I first heard about Anne Boleyn!   That was when i was ten so it was a looooong time ago!

Jenny – interesting to hear about Paxton House; my last name is Kerr and my ancestors came from the border lands!  I've never heard of Paxton House but then there are several different strands of the Kerr clan!  Sometimes different spellings too, Ker and Carr being two examples.  Robert Carre, Earl of Somerset and favourite of King James VI/I came from Kerr stock, though unfortunately not an altogether nice person… Wink

Oh and if anyones planning a trip to Edinburgh Castle soon, don't be in the general vicinity of the one o'clock gun when it goes off, if they still have it!  I was once and it left my ears ringing for hours afterwards!!!!!! 

June 17, 2010
7:04 am
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Hi Bella,

Just out of interest – are you left handed?

June 17, 2010
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Hi once again Tina and Bella,

Paxton House as it is now is relatively modern (about 250 years old) but it was a fortress in the middle ages when the English and the Scots were beating the hell out of each other. – Bella there is quite a good website of the Kerr/Carr family if your like to look back.  

The whole of the border area of Scotland/England is super interesting as various cities were sometimes Scots and sometimes English.  Berwick on Twweed which is now English was Scots for a while and on the other side of the country Carilisle (another beautiful and interesting city) does not appear in the Doomsday book because it belonged to Scotland at the time.

On my visit to the eastern side of the border I was extremely impressed by the ruins of the 3 major abberys, Jedburgh, Dryburgh and Melsrose and I also got to visit teh Hermitage in between Jedburgh and Hawick (pronoinced Hoyk) where Mary Queen of Scots was supposed to have spent a night with Bothwell.  What amazed me were that the rooms were so tiny and she being 6 ft. tall she must have had to doble up.  There was also a shoe which she apparently left behind and again I thought it wierd as it was so tiny.  I suppose it must have shrunk with the ages. 

The Tudors were quite hesitant on going that far north – Margaret, eldest daughter of HVII obviously did as she married James V and Katherine of Aragon was there representing HVIII when he was in France and in fact won teh battle against the Scots and I thik the main victim was her brother in law James V whose bloody coat she presented to Henry on his return from France.  But HVIII never ventured that far and neither did his children.  

June 17, 2010
9:47 am
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Years ago I had a brochure which listed various castles and manors in Scotland where you could both visit and stay, and I remember one of them specifically claimed that Mary Stuart and Bothwell had been there during their “honeymoon,” so it might be the same place you mentioned, Jenny.

Besides Thornbury Castle, are there any locations in England or Wales that have Tudor connections AND you can visit and stay overnight if you wanted?

Henry: Mistress Anne, will you teach the king of England how they dance in the French court?
Anne: There is nothing that France can teach England, your majesty.
King Henry VIII: Well said. Well said.
– Anne of the Thousand Days (1969)

June 17, 2010
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Hi Jenny, no I'm not left-handed but for some reason the computer mouse always has to be on the left side (just doesn't feel right using my right hand for that!) and sending txt etc on my cell phone I tend to use my left hand as well.  There's a few other things as well where it just feels better using my my left hand!  Hope that makes sense, lol!  Cheers for the website tip too, I might just have to check it out! Smile

I would love to spend a few days staying in a manor/castle in Scotland – that would totally be a dream come true for me!  I'm assuming there must be places in England and Wales too, though I can't think of any off the top of my head.

June 18, 2010
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Hi Tina and Bella,

After months of relatively inactivity at work I am now fortunately inundated.  However, Boredom creates inertia and during that time I became laxier and lazier.  it now has come a shock to the sytem to be working hard again and that keeps the brain busy so what you have suggested I have already thought about making a list.

Unfortunately I am not as clever as Claire because I would love to do the same as she but for King Arthur.  That's been on my mind for years but computers and I do not seem to get on that well and whilst I think I am normally a laid back person, computers (amongst other entities such as the telephone company in Spain, etc) can send me into a raving maniac.

When I do get time, I'll have a look and let you both (and all) know.  Have to say though I am a Richard III fan through and through

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