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Titanic Centenary, what will you do?
January 17, 2012
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Mya Elise
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That sounds fun. In a town near to mine they have this science museum and every once in a while they'll have a Titanic day and i've always wanted to go but never been able to. Hopefully this year they'll have it again.

• Grumble all you like, this is how it’s going to be.

January 17, 2012
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ipaud said:

The focal point on the Olympic class ships was the grand staircase. As a lasting image, this was used by James Cameron in the movie “Titanic” with great effect. A replica of the stairs has been built in the Titanic museum in Belfast but did you know that one of these stairs still exist?

In the northeast of England there is a little hotel called “The White Swan Inn” and when the RMS Olympic was broken apart in Scotland in the late '30's, the stairwell and lounge of the Olympic were purchased and put in the hotel. I have never visited but there are many pictures around of their “Olympic suite” and many weddings and functions are held with the surrounds of the Olympic as the back drop. If I am ever back up the northeast corner of England, The White Swan is on my list. If anyone is interested, the address is;

 White Swan Hotel
      Bondgate Within
      Alnwick (pronounced Annick)
      NE66 1TD
      England
I have put some pictures on my fb, if anyone is interested.

I went theere for a wedding reception many years ago. It's spectacular backdrop to your photos. And the food was superb..

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January 17, 2012
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Thank you Sharon. I will add new pictures as I come across them. That was an interesting way to get your attention. Fewer men survived as token crewmen were on the lifeboats to care for the women and children. First class men made their way on board the life boats. 

The class divide was very much evident on Titanic also, 100 years later, we may not see that as an issue but it was on board titanic.Then there was a coal strike on at that time and other White Star passages were cancelled so as to give as much coal as possible to Titanic. Many first class passengers on other liners were put in as second class on Titanic, such was the premium on Titanic's maiden voyage. The banker, JP Morgan was to be on board but canceled at the 11th hour. Also three brothers named Slade, who were to crew as firemen in the engine room stayed too long in tavern and were refused entry on board, as luck would have it for them!

If it was not this, then it would be something else?

January 17, 2012
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Anyanka, you lucky Bunny! do you have any pictures? I hear that the clock is there also but not at the stairwell? What do you remember from your visit there? Did you stay over?

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January 17, 2012
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I will likely go and see the film in 3D. I remember being in the theater at 16 seeing it for the first time, so it will be a memorable experience to be back in the theater crying all over again. lol

January 17, 2012
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Sadly I no longer have any photos. I think I left them at my mothers when I moved out.  My friend who was the bride has some on her FB page but they are private so I'm not able to link them.

 

Thier 25th Wedding anniverarsy is 11th April 2012.

 

We didn't stay over, sadly. And we couldn't stop too late since it was a good hours drive back to my mother's house. It don't remember much. It was such a busy day and we weren't members of the weddding party .

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January 17, 2012
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Rebecca, I always think of Elizabethtown when i see Lou-ville…

If you cry at the Titanic 3D, you can always say Leo splashed you???

James Cameron has a movie on you tube

Its a dive on Titanic going deep inside with lots of surprises!

“Last mysteries of the Titanic(2005) Discovery channel extended edition.”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v…..ture=share

If it was not this, then it would be something else?

January 18, 2012
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The ties between Ireland and the Titanic are many, from Titanic being built in Belfast by Harland and Wolff to the last port of call, Queenstown, now known as Cobh (pronounced Cove). Photography for the masses was in its infancy back then, dedicated photographers started to turn up everywhere, Titanic was one of them and the last pictures were taken by a Father Frank Brown, who had been gifted a trip on Titanic from Southampton to Queenstown. The pictures he took were seen in newspapers the world over following the sinking of Titanic. Lucky for Father Brown, he had been offered by a millionaire on board to continue to New York but a wire telegram to his Superior came back with the reply “GET OFF THAT SHIP.”

Father Brown had taken the only picture of the Marconi room in operation Where Jack Phillips and Harold Bride were run off their feet sending messages from Titanic's passengers. They would have been the “Geeks” or “techno savvy” of that day. The Marconi equipment had gone down the day before the disaster. they found and repaired the fault.

If it was not this, then it would be something else?

January 18, 2012
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I can only imagine how packed the theaters will be when the 3D version comes out.

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January 18, 2012
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ipaud said:

Rebecca, I always think of Elizabethtown when i see Lou-ville…

If you cry at the Titanic 3D, you can always say Leo splashed you???

James Cameron has a movie on you tube

Its a dive on Titanic going deep inside with lots of surprises!

“Last mysteries of the Titanic(2005) Discovery channel extended edition.”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v…..ture=share

Well I can tell you, Elizabethtown is quite the quaint little city!

January 18, 2012
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ipaud said:

Thank you Sharon. I will add new pictures as I come across them. That was an interesting way to get your attention. Fewer men survived as token crewmen were on the lifeboats to care for the women and children. First class men made their way on board the life boats. 

The class divide was very much evident on Titanic also, 100 years later, we may not see that as an issue but it was on board titanic.Then there was a coal strike on at that time and other White Star passages were cancelled so as to give as much coal as possible to Titanic. Many first class passengers on other liners were put in as second class on Titanic, such was the premium on Titanic’s maiden voyage. The banker, JP Morgan was to be on board but canceled at the 11th hour. Also three brothers named Slade, who were to crew as firemen in the engine room stayed too long in tavern and were refused entry on board, as luck would have it for them!

Ha!  What do you mean?  You always get my attention when you post.  Wink  I love hearing and reading about the Titanic, and you are most informative, as always. Thanks so much for the info, and keep it coming. 

January 18, 2012
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Rebecca, I love that movie “Elisabethtown” my tag line is from it! And thank you Sharon for your kind words. The Titanic was more than just a trans-atlantic ship. It was a statement about how far the human race had come. How perfect a world that was made at the start of the 20th century. Titanic was the ultimate in what technology that was available. Titanic was even advertised as a “3 screw” ship or having three propellers. Most ocean liners of that class had four chimney stacks, titanic only needed three but a fourth (nearest the stern) was for show. It did contain a stairway that transcended all decks from the boiler rooms. Olympic class ships were the first to have a swimming pool on board and they boasted a gym and Titanic had “Turkish Baths” The ultimate in “built for comfort and not for speed” however, Ismay is rumored to have pushed Captain Smith to arrive in New York earlier than anticipated. So much is said about Titanic being billed as unsinkable. White Star did not say this but a Ship builders periodical Magazine wrote about Titanic (and indeed the Olympic class) as “Virtually unsinkable” the press of the day picked up on this and made the Titanic unsinkable legend. 

If it was not this, then it would be something else?

January 19, 2012
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How could this happen on the stillest of nights on the very ship with the latest technology.?

Here is the Marconi Room's part in the run up to Titanic sinking.

Six warnings were received by Titanic's Marconi operators who were catching up with a backlog of messages to send after a breakdown in their equipment. The messages would have to be hand delivered to the bridge, not all were. Captain Smith was given messages on Icebergs but this old sea dog was untrusting of new technology, like the telegraph. Radio waves travel further at night, Jack Phillips and Harold bride, the Marconi operators were busy making up for lost time while the radio equipment was down.Passengers sent their telegrams at the inquiry office, on the starboard side of the forward first class entrance.  The handwritten messages were paid for at the desk, at the rate of 12 shillings and sixpence for the first 10 words, and 9 pence per word thereafter (a substantial sum in 1912, although not for a first class passenger…).

Titanic had the best of communication technology, but needed a ship near by not only to have the equipment, but also to have it turned on and attended to by an operator. there were two ships near, The Californian and Carpathia. There is a story that the radio operator of the Californian made contact with Titanic after Captain Smith gave the order to send out a “CQD” distress call. Phillips and Bride sent the CQD as requested but told the Californian, apparently that they were too busy for that nonsense and they were busy and they wished to be left alone. The Carpathia altered its course and made full steam for Titanic. Unfortunately, the co-ordinates given were out by 10 miles. All that technology and it could not save them all.

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January 19, 2012
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Robin Gibb to make classical debut with an album about the Titanic.

 

It sank off the coast of Newfoundland five days later, with the loss of more than 1,500 lives.

 

Or not as the case may be…..

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January 20, 2012
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Nooo Rob, get back in your crypt!

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January 20, 2012
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ipaud, you certainly know your subject, and everything about the Titanic story is so fascinating. Living in a seaside town and also having worked in the museum, I have more than a passing interest in all things maritime.

You are correct in saying that the Titanic was designed more for comfort than speed as its triple screws could not compete for speed with Cunard's Lusitania and Mauretania, whose quadruple screws allowed some 5 knots more speed and had already been in service since 1907. Given this fact I wondered if you agreed with the viewpoint of Ismay asking the Captain for more speed during the crossing, or could this be down to a newspaper campaign against Ismay organised by Hurst, as the two men were known to have fallen out some years before? Also, not all the boilers had been lit during the crossing, and reaching their destination early would have caused booking and appointment confusion with many of the first-class passengers. There were also reports, not published at the time, that far from being a coward who saved his own skin, Ismay helped many women and children onto lifeboats before taking one of the final ones himself when no other people were there to board. Could his main fault have been in surviving and thus, mainly thanks to Hurst's newspapers, he became a convenient and easy target? I just wondered what your views were on this and if you think Ismay's had a raw deal in history (even the film made him look bad).

On the subject of on-board pools, didn't White Star's Adriatic have one in 1907, or could that not count as it was classed as a swimming bath?

Also, do you know why the White Star Line favoured triple screws (as in the 1909 Laurentic), when Cunard was already using 4 screws?

Lots of questions for you ipaud, I know, but I'd like to know what you think as your knowledge on this subject seems so good and extensive.

Here's hoping this signal gets a good bounce off the Ionosphere, this is MGY out (I know you'll understand that one!Wink). cheers.

January 20, 2012
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Hi Neil, Where do you live? Will the centenary of Titanic be remembered in your town?

I heard so many stories from my maternal grandmother, who was a young girl at the time in Cork in Ireland. She gave me so much information about Titanic and its tragedy, I suppose, when one is young, it remains with you. I have a great interest and would not think myself an expert, however I have asked two navy people to “come on board” as it were, here and stick their oar in, I know that Wreckmaster lives and breathes Titanic! On the radio side, my maternal grandfather had a radio shop and the understanding of the operation of radio remains within the family.

Titanic was assigned the call sign “MGY” but strangely, this belonged to a US ship called “Yale”, the original call sign of the Titanic was “MUC” given to Titanic in January 1912, but changed some time before the maiden voyage. The “M” stood for Marconi and was used with pride by people who had Marconi equipment, I don't know if the other letters gave any more information.

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January 20, 2012
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On the “Triple Screw” on the Olympic class, the sheer size of the propellers is something over looked. The  accident between Olympic and the Hawke in the Isle of Wight, the propellers caused a strange wake or water movement around the Olympic and the accident happened when the Hawke was sucked in by the turbulence of the water around Olympic. On Titanic's departure from Southampton, this same suction or wake almost caused a disaster for another liner “The New York” so strong was the pull from Titanic, the mooring ropes war snapped and near by tugs saved the day in the nick of time. Titanic had plenty fire power, not for speed, but by alternating the engines, the speed could be maintained. Top speed was 25 knots.

This  water movement was a problem I believe for Titanic at the time of the accident Murdoch was in command and on receiving the information that there was an “iceberg, right ahead” Murdoch tried to move this big ship away from the Iceberg by giving the command “Hard a'starboard” but he also reversed the engines which can only have worked against Titanic as the turmoil in the water around her tiller would have reduced the effect. Had Murdoch stopped the engines, it is most likely that his plan to port around the iceberg would have worked.

Titanic and the Olympic class were 100 feet longer than Lusitania and Mauritania and at that time the largest vessel on the sea. Sailing her needed expertise in the handling, unfortunately they were tested on their first trip out. Also, the vast crew were just getting to know each other and the Titanic.

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January 20, 2012
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On the Adriatic Neill, I am not aware of the specs. of it, if you have the information perhaps you would like to share with us here? From anything that I have read, the Olympic class were the first with swimming pools on board. Titanic had Heated sea water in the pool. That was certainly a first, heated pool on board an ocean liner.Titanic in the upper deck's had four faucets, hot and cold sea water also hot and cold fresh water. Preserving the fresh water as much as they possibly could.

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January 20, 2012
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On Ismay, my jury is out on him and put to the pin of my collar, I may have taken the place on the lifeboat also. To the passengers of the Titanic, the idea of the ship sinking with no visible damage was unbelievable on the “unsinkable Titanic.” Many of those who went in the first lifeboats believed that they were going as a precaution and not out of mortal danger.How could the crew possibly control everyone on board if they knew what Ismay, Andrews, Captain Smith and his officers knew? That the Titanic would sink, the nearest ships were too far away to be able to help and there were lifeboats for a third of those on board.Those who would go in the water would last 15 minutes before the cold would kill. Many passengers did not want to go on the lifeboats as they believed that it was not necessary as the ship would not sink. I think Ismay knew what was going to happen, one of the few that did, I think that was the point that the people made to Ismay during and after the enquiry's. I'm a sailor and have a Yacht Masters License. I have had to do courses on survival at sea, I do wish my Navy buddies on both sides of the Atlantical pond would come on board and help with their knowledge, which would be vast compared to mine. I do know that swimming around in freezing water would hasten death as with a faster blood flow, one gets cold overall the body quicker. Hastening organ close down and hyperthermia.

White Star had put everything they had financially into the three Olympic class sisters. The ships went far over budget and put The White Star Line in a bad financial situation. Shares were bought up by JP Morgan, the banker who owned the company more or less by the time Titanic set sail. Ismay needed to show Morgan that he meant business and the time factor was the one thing that put them in the shade of Cunard's ships. If Titanic made good time, the advertising value would have been priceless. The lap of luxury and time for the crossing a little more than the rest, but worth it!

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