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What Are We All Reading?
October 30, 2011
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Hi WilesWales,

Nice timing.  I have just finished reading, “To Die For.”  This was a good one, and I could not put it down.  Despite the fact that the Meg Wyatt of the book is not the Meg Wyatt Lee we all know, I thought it was a great piece of storytelling.  Meg’s story although fictional, was interesting and I couldn’t wait to see whether she would end up with the man she loved. Sorry, you’ll have to read it to find out if she does or doesn’t.

 Sandra Byrd made Anne come alive.  A studious, fun-loving, devout, loyal young woman who loved Henry and believed that he was acting in good faith when he said he loved her and wanted to marry her because his marriage to Katherine was illegal according to God’s law. Was it all a lie?  Meg comments about how Anne becomes more queenly (is that a word) as time goes by. Even though she can be abrupt at times, Meg thinks royalty suits Anne.  

Ms Byrd stuck pretty close to historical fact, and she used the actual quotes wherever possible.  It is fiction, of course, and there were a few spots that were not exactly historically accurate, but that’s the way of it with fiction.  Once again, Jane Boleyn is a really bad apple.  Madge Shelton is an insipid little…so and so.  Meg is Anne’s best friend from childhood and remains her best friend until the end.  They are loyal to each other.

 Meg spends the last evening with Anne before she is to die. They talk about everything they did together, and they laugh and cry as best friends are wont to do.  I liked the way Anne responds to Meg about Jane Seymour.  She thinks Henry has convinced Jane that his marriage to Anne was invalid and cursed because of his “knowledge” of Mary Boleyn.  Anne thinks it is similar to the way Henry convinced her that his marriage to Katherine was cursed because of Katherine’s “knowledge” of Arthur. Jane, carries on as did Anne, with honest intent.  I think this is an interesting theory.  

Ms. Bryd did her research for this book, and it showed.  I never once wanted to throw the book across the room. I would definitely recommend it for your reading pleasure.    Cool

October 30, 2011
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Thank you, Sharon, and what greet timing indeed. I love historical fiction that is well researched. I love this theory, and have often wondered if that is indeed what he told Jane Seymour. It was just in the reviewed pointing to all the things that Jane Parker did in the book were the point of a book review (and this is no put down to the person who wrote it as it was all meant in fun), I had no idea she was this good. I will keep checking and checking my library and those around it. This one sounds great (and queenly does, too). I can't thank you enough for letting me know. You are a great book talker (that's what we call in librarianship)! You leave me just at the right point of biting for the bit! Thank you, once again!Laugh 

"This is the Lord's doing; it is marvellous in our eyes." Psalms 118:23

November 1, 2011
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Neil Kemp said:

I’ve started Tolstoy’s Anna Karenina. After recommending this book to a friend, I thought the least I could do was read it again (it has been a few years), it’s always a pleasure, but you do have to give it a chance, as it does progress somewhat slowly initially.

I read Anna Karenina a few years ago and just loved it, epecially having the opportunity to read it after seeing umpteen movie and TV versions. (I immediately followed that up with The Brothers Karamazov! Talk about “light” reading LOL)

Have to ask — have you read War and Peace yet? I started it back in the the early spring, but after my mother passed, I put it away and figured I'd take it up again when I have more time.

Henry: Mistress Anne, will you teach the king of England how they dance in the French court?
Anne: There is nothing that France can teach England, your majesty.
King Henry VIII: Well said. Well said.
– Anne of the Thousand Days (1969)

November 1, 2011
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Olga, would this be a site to discuss Darin,Campbell, and Baldwin? WilesWalesLaugh

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November 1, 2011
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Hi Wiles Smile Yes this is probably a good spot to discuss other authors, I should have a read through this thread today and get some more reading tips.

November 2, 2011
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Wiles, I picked up a copy of The Last Queen at the second hand book shop today. Thanks for the recommendation, I'm looking forward to reading that. I'll get through my library books first. I just started on the Julia Fox bio on Jane Rochford

November 2, 2011
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I'm glad you found this site. I sent out the message to all not knowing if you subscribed to it  or not. Not thinking again….Smile I am so glad you got “The Last Queen!” I looked it up on amazon.com and once you let me know what you think about, I might just buy one of those cards for amazon the next time I get to the store (they don't accept money orders).

I understand absolutely and completely about getting through the libray books first! I suffer from several conditions, and that makes my heart pump when it comes close to due dates. This is why I receive “books by mail” from the library. I did get through most of Fox's “Jane Rochford,” and had to agree with others that she gives more about Tudor history and the times than “Jane…,” but I love that kind of stuff, and it's not a bad book at all. I liked it. I don't agree with what others say about her not ratting Anne out during that long interrogation alone with Cromwell, as she was a woman of the times, and she (I know I couldn't) have held out against the threats of torture, it going to happen anyway, etc. that she went through during that with Anne. I also understand why she most proabably helped Catherine Howard, as Catherine maintained, and I think by that time Henry was most likely impotent (for various reasons), and that her Uncle, The Duke of Norfolk, told she must have a son…

Forgive me, I am ruining the book for you!

This forum will have you writing titles and reading for some time. These are a great group of people, and not to mention, make even me feal unwell read. I do try and get to it when I can. Thanks, WilesWales (BTW, my real name is Wiley; I hope yours is Olga! 🙂          

"This is the Lord's doing; it is marvellous in our eyes." Psalms 118:23

November 2, 2011
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It's a very easy read actually, I was struggling with the Warnicke book I am reading (30 or 40 page chapters and tiny print, and she waffles) so this one is a pleasant change. I'm wondering if it will have much info on Anne of Cleves.

On another note, the theory about Norfolk pressuring Kitty to have a son, is used in The Boleyn Inheritance. It also mentions a conspiracy to accuse Anne of Cleves of withcraft. PG doesn't have the Julia Fox book in her bibliography on that book so I am curious about it, although I am starting to think a lot of her material comes from Warnicke actually.

I just joined my local library yesterday as we've only been in this area about 18 months and I hadn't gotten around to it. There's a whole shelf of Tudor history books just at that branch so it should keep me very busy.

Yes, my name is Olga Smile And no you haven't ruined the book for me Wiley

November 3, 2011
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Oh, Fox is far more well researched than anything PG could put out. I don't believe for a second that Anne of Cleves was involved in witchcraft.  It also wouldn't surprise me at all (when I searched my counties library system) PG has pumped out more books since 2010 that I had to look again. So it would not surprise me at all if she used other sources just to make her bibs longer, and I wouldn't doubt from Warnicke either. See, her books are more for people who don't know Tudor history, but we all hope it will lead them to take an interest. So most won't notice anything about the bibs at first.

We can't all have a wonderful and terrific Olga!

I am SO GLAD you found a library with a great Tudor section! If you get a chance when you're there, ask about “interlibary loan.” I hope they say yes, and then they'll tell you, and the libraries all over the world will be available to you.

Thank you so much once again. WilesWalesLaugh

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November 3, 2011
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Hey again, Olga! It just hit me where PG got the theory about in “The Boleyn Inheritance!” Norfolk told Catherine about this in episode V of “The Six Wives of Henry VIII,” 1968, BBC. It is probably the most accurate of all the films and series about the six wives that has ever been produced. She took the idea, ran with it, and stole the source most probably from another book. This series would have involved six hours of sitting in front of a TV, and then lookingn up online sources to back her stupid ideas up. Even Wikipedia has sources at the end. Man, what a fake she is! Just an observation as I was on the elevator and hit me. Catherine says  she can be no more than the wife of Abishak (sp?) or someone else. That's when Norfolk tells her she must have an heir.

Then I did a search and there are several sources to write that one down other than the BBC series! I'm in the very wrong business. Thank you, WilesWalesCool

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November 3, 2011
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Sorry again, but it just hit me that in the first installment of “Elizabeth R” BBC, 196?, that it is implied that Thomas Seymour molested Elizabeth when she was being questioned, and she asked Sir William Cecil, “Must I admit all that happened in the Admiral's household?” and he answered something to the affect that even a the Queen Dowager (Katherine Parr) participated in these early morning romps (where they cut her dress with scissors in the garden). This must have been where PG got the idea of the another of her ridiculous books. I watched these series when I was a very little boy, and then when I was 13 at the public library. It also doesn't take a rocket scientist to (except me for not doing what she does [but I'm not an historical prostitute either], to look up British History Online, or to steal sources either (look at Weir). Thanks, again. WilesWales

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November 3, 2011
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Wiley Starkey actually mentioned that (Seymour sexually molested her) in his Elizaebth biography, which I am re-reading in bits and pieces. It's fresh in my mind as i read it a few weeks ago. I usually trust Starkey, he mentioned the dress-cutting incident too.

In Boleyn Inheritance, she doesn't accuse Anne of Cleves of practicing witchcraft, just that they conspired to use the charge against her. I am quite sure that theory is taken from Warnicke. I must remember to look it up later as I have seen no mention of it anywhere. I'm waiting for a copy of Six Wives by Starkey to arrive, which I haven't read in years, but I don't remember that part.

Is it just me or is Warnicke a bit uninspiring? I know I am used to reading stuff which is more concise, and it is putting me off her book, which does have some reasonably interesting points.

I'll have to find those old BBC movies. My partner is a big fan of old movies, he'd probably love them.

I know we have inter-library loan here, I haven't used it before though. I am never adverse to buying books however, I just have to budget carefully. If you know any book collector's you'd know what I mean, never enough books, space for books, or the money to buy them Laugh

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Also is Weir that bad? I have ordered three of her books. Claire recommends her Six Wives book in her list of Anne Boleyn books. I've also got one on the Princes in the Tower and the children of Henry VIII (which I think looks great) arriving. I've been buying some stuff from awesome books, who sell books of average quality, but they're very cheap so I can read and sell them after I'm done (my personal collection needs to be shiny)

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Elizabeth decided when she was 8 when she decided not to marry. Catherine Howard screaming for the great Henry, and next was ax. I'm sure Thomas Seymour did molest her, but there is no real concrete proof. But circumstantial, most assuredly. 

There has been lot of discussion about Weir and her sources, but let me check where the discussion with everyone agreeing they weren't going to read her anymore. Not familiar with Warnicke, but he sounds like he might be. Let me do some more research, and I'll get back to you! Wiles 

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November 3, 2011
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They are talking about Weir on pages 31 and 32 of this site, and that's when I subscribed to it. WilesWales

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November 3, 2011
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Weir isn't that bad; I very much enjoy her style of writing and the knack she has of making sometimes complicated periods of history easier to grasp.  What I do have a problem with is her lack of citation in regarding her sources and her leaping to sometimes strange conclusions.  I read her book on Mary Boleyn recently and it very much suffered from both of these problems.  Two of her best works (in my humble opinion!) are Henry Vlll: King and Court and The Children of Henry Vlll.  I also enjoyed her Isabella; She-wolf of France, Queen of England.

I hear ya Olga on the woes of the book collector – I'm running out of shelves for my collection; and I do so like my Tudor books to look their best!!  Laugh Laugh Laugh

November 4, 2011
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Ah another book collector who understands Laugh I think this is a life-long quest I've begun, it should take me years to collect all the hardcover first editions of the history books I'll want. Thank goodness for the internet!

I did read here about the Mary Boleyn book, I saw another one by another author at the book shop I will pick up next time I'm there, but I'll holdoff on buying the Weir book. I think my library may be getting it. I am really looking forward to reading The Children of Henry Vlll and Henry Vlll: King and Court so I'm glad you think they're worth a read. I have ordered about 10 books online and borrowed some from the library so I have bitten off more than I can chew as usual.

I have to finish the Julia Fox book this weekend, next week I have to read two fantasy books and review them. One for the publisher who sends me freebies and one for an author I adore, so I can start the Bernard book on Anne Boleyn next weekend. Not that i will agree with it I am sure, but it looks interesting.

Has anyone here read any other Warnicke books? I'm wondering if I should bother with her Anne of Cleves book. Her books are terribly expensive to buy new.

November 4, 2011
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Bella44 is correct about Weir; but you should have seen the way they tore her upside down on Tudorwiki! She is right about the “lack” of citations with regard to what she says. She is enjoyable to read though.

Now two book seller here; that's great! On the same part of the globe, too.

I tend to bite off more than I can chew as well. I think it's great that Olga can review books for reward, but I don't like deadlines. I used to review textbooks for college publishing company, and got nothing for it, except that the reps. went to other colleges and it helped with my job of making sure colleges and universities were in compliance, and in emergency situations could call the reps. and have them send overnight as many different titles in different disciplines when I got trapped with a possible finding. It was bad for the librarian (as I remembered and helped catalog them, etc.),but if they'd done their jobs, well you know. I also was able to put it on my resume.

Forgive, me but, Bella44 is right, Tudor history must be good to sell when they look good on the shelves, and once one gets hooked then, they've got the bug, too. Thank you, WilesWalesLaugh

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November 4, 2011
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I finished Anna Karenina last night. It was recommened by a friend and I was skeptical about the book. However, it turned out to be one of the best. Tolstoy is a genius!

I am now reading Steig Larsson's The Girl Who Played with Fire.

"By daily proof you shall find me to be to you both loving and kind" Anne Boleyn

November 4, 2011
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Duchess – Wow, two people here who managed to finish Anna Karenina!  I never did; I got distracted and gave up half way through.  Odd, as I sailed through War and Peace.  Man, I'll really have to give it another go one of these days Laugh

 

Olga – You're right; Warnickes' books are weirdly expensive.  I got a gift card from Amazon for my birthday so I picked up her one on Anne of Cleves – the paperback edition!  I've yet to read it though.  Would love to know what you think of the Bernard book – there was so much I didn't agree with yet it's strangely worth the read.

 

WilesWales – Alas, I'm not a bookseller – just a book lover, LOL! I would absolutely adore to work in a book store though but a lot of the book outlets where I live are closing down Frown  Just last month my favourite second hand book store closed it's doors which was a real shame as I'd managed to pick up a lot of the out of print biographies on Anne Boleyn there, the Marie Louise Bruce one and the Hester W Chapman one amongst others.  Not a good time to be a book seller in New Zealand Frown Frown Frown

And you're right – once you've been bitten by the insidious Tudor history bug, there's no going back!!! 

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