Boleyn said

As we all know the relationship between COA/A.B/J.S. was one of brittle and sometimes frayed nerves and manners
J.S as was A.B although not till around 1525/6 time were both in COA’s household and I feel that COA probablly viewed both of them as no threat to her, and treated them no different that she did anyone else. After Henry showed an interest in Anne that was when the mucky stuff hit the fan and all tact and understanding that COA had for Anne went out of the window, it was if all out war was declared between them, very much the in the same way it was when Henry started showing interest in Jane.
However with AOC and K.H things were very different or were they? K.H was a maid in AOC household and I don’t think she was that stupid in not seeing that Henry had taken a liking to K.H but AOC didn’t seem to be that bothered, did she think that once Henry had filled his boots with K.H that things between them would be as they should be? I believe that AOC was very kind to K.H and gave her many gifts, maybe she thought by doing that she’d in someway get old face ache out of her sight, in which case it worked. After Henry and Anne divorced, their freindship KH and AOC continued in much the same way, it was one of a freindly nature and they still continued to send each other gifts.
How did she feel about K.H downfall?
I have heard the rumour that after K.H fell that Henry was going to remarry her. If true how did AOC feel about that? When face ache married K.P how did AOC get on with her and vice versa. I’m inclined to think it was one of the same nature of AOC freindship with K.H.
Any thoughts?

KellyMarie said

I don’t know about AOC and KP’s relationship but i’m sure I read somewhere that AOC was furious when he married KP as she had been led to believe he would remarry her. I don’t know what happened after that though.

I don’t know so much that AOC was furious at Henry’s decision to marry K.P but rather that he had married beneath himself, but then the same could be said about him marrying K.H, but K.H did at least have some royal blood in her viens although it was a bit diluted. K.P royal blood was very watered down, but she was from a noble lineage.
As for AOC remarrying him, even if it was a possiblity one has to ask whether the marriage (Yeah another what if Question, thumb screws at the ready) would have been any difference. If he didn’t like her as a wife if 1540, what would make him like her 2 years later. personally I think they were much better as freinds then they ever could be as husband a wife.

Anyanka said

I’d love to think that AoC was laughing behind her hands when she saw how Henry had been duped by KH*.

And I remember reading a very snide remark AoC was supposed to have said re KP.. “Mistress Parr is taking a great burden on herself”

For myself..Anne strikes me as being a very shrewd judge of character.She may or may not have liked her replacements in Henry’s bed but she was smart enough not to let it show openly in front of Henry while still accepting his guilt money.

* not that I think KH should have been beheaded for what happened, mind you. I have a lot of sympathy for her.

Totally agree. I rather feel that perhaps Anne could see the type of girl K.H was, but in the same respect she was perhaps glad to get rid of face ache. Anne wasn’t stupid she knew that Henry didn’t like her as a wife, so it was best she took the money and ran.
K.H didn’t deserve to die, but Henry was a pompous arse, and still believed he was the superstud of his youth, so to find out so cruely that he wasn’t, shattered his ego which turned to anger and it was a case of “Off with her head” If you think about it Henry’s ego must have been as big as his fat arse. He had to kill K.H basically because he couldn’t take the risk that she might repeat what was allegedly said by Anne.B in short that he couldn’t satify a woman. If Anne.B did say this (which I doubt) the chance of it being repeated would have completely ruined any hope for redemption. Ie if Henry was floppy COA A.B and Jane were dead, so they couldn’t prove or disprove that. AOC said that they never consumated their union, so again nothing could be proved, but K.H and Henry did have loud and noisy sex, so he must have been able to perform in someway or other, but the fact that K.H didn’t get pregnant kind of makes you wonder if the alledged comment Anne.B made may have been true.. When he married K.P did they have sex? Once he was dead it wouldn’t have mattered if K.P had said Henry was a flop in bed, he was dead, he couldn’t be offended by such a comment. K.H death was all to do with Anne B allegeded comment.
I think AOC was perhaps diplomatically tactful with K.H and K.P she was perhaps relieved that at least she didn’t have to share a bed with him ever again.

James33 said

I would have KP would have come briefly to court during at least one of the previous wife’s times- mind you seen as she was actually living in England during each wife’s time as Henry’s Queen ( AOC lived n Germany and KH was quite young during KOA and AB time) it makes you wonder how terrified she must have been when Henry started showing an interest in her!! Actually is there any record of KP meeting any of the previous wife’s? Just out of interest

Maud Parr K.P mother was alledgely in KOA’s household and K.P was named after her. KOA was also named as Godmother to her too. Maud was married to Thomas Parr in 1508 at about the age of 16 . K.P was born n 1512. Thomas Parr passed away of the sweating sickness in 1517 and I assume that Maud left court shortly after to run the estate until her son came of age to run it himself.. Maud never remarried and died in 1531 age 39.
and is buried next to her husband in Blackfriars London..