Tash Wakefield said

What amazes me is that people think they can find the meaning of life from why the dinosaurs died out and such. I have to say that the amount of money we put into the space programs (not me personally, at least i dont think so) thinking we are going to find life, and therefore why we are alive is just redonkulous! I can see many answers have been found in the stars, philosophers etc but if they took all the money they used to put people on the space station and cruise around mars in a robot jeep, could be put to much better use, feeding people in africa and south america, and asia, and india et cetera et cetera et cetera its royal class BS! (dont mind me, im just tired…and rambling…)

Actually Tash you aren’t on your own here… The Olympox for instance really got me it cost 27 million for the opening ceremony alone, and what benefit has it brought to all those in this country who are in poverty? the elderly? Cancer sufferers? Schools? Hospitals etc.. the answer is nothing.
It really annoyed me about the opening ceremony when they showed NHS and GOSH in lights with musical accompliment and fireworks, that the amount of money it took to do that could have actually gone into these places.
We have enough problems here on earth to sort out without trying to find out if there are other worlds and other life forms.
In anycase if there are other worlds and E.T life, they won’t be interested in us as we are far to primative and warlike to be of use.

Tash Wakefield said

What amazes me is that people think they can find the meaning of life from why the dinosaurs died out and such. I have to say that the amount of money we put into the space programs (not me personally, at least i dont think so) thinking we are going to find life, and therefore why we are alive is just redonkulous! I can see many answers have been found in the stars, philosophers etc but if they took all the money they used to put people on the space station and cruise around mars in a robot jeep, could be put to much better use, feeding people in africa and south america, and asia, and india et cetera et cetera et cetera its royal class BS! (dont mind me, im just tired…and rambling…)

I disagree, if you look at the Sumerian’s (the oldest known culture on Earth, dating from 6,000BC) for instance, they obviously had some kind of contact with other beings. They spoke of a planet which orbited right on the edge of our solar system, which has recently been discovered by NASA (named Planet X), and had amazing knowledge about space. Their ‘Gods’ were called the Anunnaki and supposedly shared this knowledge with them. They have depictions of Solar systems, perfect maps of the stars, UFO type aircraft and space suit like helmets carved into their monuments. They also spoke of another being which we now interpret as some kind of synthetic life, not organic. The Sumarian’s wrote very detailed accounts of their meetings with the ‘Anunnaki’ into ancient rock that have been translated and it appears they believed humans were created by these beings, by mixing DNA with a primitive human already on Earth. While it seems far out, how would they have access to knowledge far more advanced than we know even today…

My cousin visited Africa on a trip to volunteer to help the poor. What he saw shocked him – they were dumping their rubbish, their waste and letting their livestock wallow in their water supplies, then wondering why they were getting sick. I think the issue with most of these people is not that they need food, but they need educating. For example; many men over there still believe that raping a young girl will cure their AIDS, and they will not use condoms because many are Roman Catholic, so AIDS spreads very prolifically. James (my cousin) also visited a local tribe who had water and enough food to eat. When he asked why they were so different, the Chief told him that because they had left their tribes, they missed out on important ancestral knowledge and so did not know how to live. Clean water runs beneath the slums, tribal people dig holes to access it. With their water they can grow crops, keep clean and healthy. Donating bags of rice to the starving only prolongs their agony, actual education on how to survive and work with the terrain will keep them fed for life. Knowledge is free.

It’s the same as meat eating really, if everyone on Earth was a vegetarian, there would be no global warming, and enough water for everyone on the planet.

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Elliemarianna said

Tash Wakefield said

What amazes me is that people think they can find the meaning of life from why the dinosaurs died out and such. I have to say that the amount of money we put into the space programs (not me personally, at least i dont think so) thinking we are going to find life, and therefore why we are alive is just redonkulous! I can see many answers have been found in the stars, philosophers etc but if they took all the money they used to put people on the space station and cruise around mars in a robot jeep, could be put to much better use, feeding people in africa and south america, and asia, and india et cetera et cetera et cetera its royal class BS! (dont mind me, im just tired…and rambling…)

I disagree, if you look at the Sumerian’s (the oldest known culture on Earth, dating from 6,000BC) for instance, they obviously had some kind of contact with other beings. They spoke of a planet which orbited right on the edge of our solar system, which has recently been discovered by NASA (named Planet X), and had amazing knowledge about space. Their ‘Gods’ were called the Anunnaki and supposedly shared this knowledge with them. They have depictions of Solar systems, perfect maps of the stars, UFO type aircraft and space suit like helmets carved into their monuments. They also spoke of another being which we now interpret as some kind of synthetic life, not organic. The Sumarian’s wrote very detailed accounts of their meetings with the ‘Anunnaki’ into ancient rock that have been translated and it appears they believed humans were created by these beings, by mixing DNA with a primitive human already on Earth. While it seems far out, how would they have access to knowledge far more advanced than we know even today…

I guess you must have seen Are We alone in the Universe then Ellie. I must say it had some very interesting and compeling evidence. Certainly if one of theories put forward in that programme I.e that Human life was created in a lab by an ancient race of Extra terrestials, with knowledge far beyond our understanding, Darwin’s theory about mankind’s evolution from Apes is seriously flawed and holds no water. You could just imagine it couldn’t you.. A load of ET’s making little models out of plastacine, and plonking us in different parts of the world.

After one of my niece’s christening the Catholic priest was invited back for the shindig. The conversation ended up revealing I was a Science teacher which naturally led to me teaching evolution. When I told the priest that I always start that topic with telling the kids I’m not forcing them to believe, they can make up their own mind etc BUT I expect them to be able to answer any question on Evoution scientifically in the Science exam, he asked me what I actully believed and I said I believe that God controlled The Big Bang and Evolution. He nodded his head and said I agree. Compare that to my students who when they ask and get the same reply sit there wondering how a scientist can believe in God. It’s like their brains think Does not compute and a part of their brain explodes.

And I had a friend who is a single mother and wanted her son to be christened in the local Catholic Church, and when she first went their the substitue priest pretty much said no sorry. When the regular priest returned his response was pretty much along the lines of ‘Who am I to judge, Jesus fooled around with Mary Magdalene and had children out of wedlock’ Well that’s the way I heard it anyway. I wanted to high five him but thoughtmaybe I misheard him LOL

I think the entertainment industry like to pain religion as stuffy and notforward thinking, but really when you get down to the ground roots of it there are more flexible religious leaders then not. It’s just that thestuffy ones are the loudest.

Ellemaria, have you by any chance read a book titled’ chariots of the gods’? i saw the documentary when i was a teenager and was amazed, it was a brief religion i held between vegetarianism and socialism…i believe there are many things in many ancient, and less ancient socieities that can be constrewed as evidence of ‘alien’ life, but to’ be honest, i believe that many of the ancients were refering to men from other worlds, aka different continents and lands that they did not at that stage know of. To the people of the time of Henry and Anne, the new world would have been the final frontier, they probably would not have considered it to be an acceptable or comfortable concept that there were people on the other side of their world, walking round upside down, different coloured skin and entirely different views and customs, not that they were unaware of different views and customs, but it probably scared the shit out of them that there were places and peoples they never knew existed. And how much scarier would it have been to be invaded by the conquisdedors etc?? People in my country still cannot see how awfully the indigenous peoples have been treated from day one, and are still treated like second class citizens, minorities in their own country!
I believe there is some what of a spiritual aspect too to the ancient beliefs in men from the sky. There is a big man in the sky that we still worship, and he does apparently have all the answers, and he does apparently send down people to give us the answers. I only have to look at pictures of the sistine chapel to see angels realised, someone must have “seen” such things to be able to relate it so clearly…

Tash Wakefield said

Ellemaria, have you by any chance read a book titled’ chariots of the gods’? i saw the documentary when i was a teenager and was amazed, it was a brief religion i held between vegetarianism and socialism…i believe there are many things in many ancient, and less ancient socieities that can be constrewed as evidence of ‘alien’ life, but to’ be honest, i believe that many of the ancients were refering to men from other worlds, aka different continents and lands that they did not at that stage know of. To the people of the time of Henry and Anne, the new world would have been the final frontier, they probably would not have considered it to be an acceptable or comfortable concept that there were people on the other side of their world, walking round upside down, different coloured skin and entirely different views and customs, not that they were unaware of different views and customs, but it probably scared the shit out of them that there were places and peoples they never knew existed. And how much scarier would it have been to be invaded by the conquisdedors etc?? People in my country still cannot see how awfully the indigenous peoples have been treated from day one, and are still treated like second class citizens, minorities in their own country!
I believe there is some what of a spiritual aspect too to the ancient beliefs in men from the sky. There is a big man in the sky that we still worship, and he does apparently have all the answers, and he does apparently send down people to give us the answers. I only have to look at pictures of the sistine chapel to see angels realised, someone must have “seen” such things to be able to relate it so clearly…

Brilliantly put, Tash! I very much agree with what you say. I think different civilisations from different corners of the world have taken and adapted ideas and religions from a common source. There are so many comparisons in so many diverse religions in diverse places where, as far as we know, there was no communication. I don’t believe that common source to be extraterrestial, but I do believe there was more travel between different lands than we have previously given the ancients credit for.

Bill1978 said

And I had a friend who is a single mother and wanted her son to be christened in the local Catholic Church, and when she first went their the substitue priest pretty much said no sorry.

When I had Vengence Demon 1, the Cof E vicar passed though the matyernity ward and stopped at me because the default was Cof E…he refused any kind of blessing as D’Hoffryn is atheist and I’m agnostic.

The RC priest came in and asked if we wanted prayers said at his church and I refused stating we were not Catholic, he laughed and said Jesus wasn’t either and he wanted to send a general prayer to God or TPTB to protect all the new borns in his diocese(sp??)..

how can you refuse that offer?

See im a great fan of spiritual realisation through meditation. I have been meditating since i was very young, and can now at will ‘levitate’ As time goes on, and the idea is more ancient than christianity and the bible, people believe less and less in spirituality, and as a general rule, most people would call me bonkers if i told them i was able to travel beyond my body during deep meditation and reflection. But actually, there have been people within cultures who have been professionals at this, and been revered or well payed for it. It is older than prostitution, Druids, Shamen, Medicine men, whatever you call them, they hold positions of great power in cultures, they still exist on all continents. I believe all of the worlds answers, and the universes answers can be found in this state, including the layout beyond earth. I have a good example of this, several months ago I felt drawn to the sun as i meditated and then saw a great lashing of fire come from the sun, and then a week later i heard on the news that there had been a massive solar flare, and they actually thought it had effected earths atmosphere and even the weather, i have dozens of examples like this, and there are thousands upon thousands of people who can do it, and can do it better than me. I think the idea of witchcraft, or the word, is derived because people were told in ancient times, namingly christians, that being able to do such things, to know things you couldnt physically know, to control happenings by meditating deeply upon them, is witchcraft. And i believe that the reason christians didnt want people doing that, was because people would have their own relationship with god instead of through the church, and priests etc would go broke. Also people would begin to make their own decisions as to whether something they did was right or not, and be able to reflect upon the universes answers for themselves. And the church probably thought this would mean anarchy, or at least the end of the church. This is really i believe what Henrys reform was all about (not witchcraft, being able to connect personally with god, without knowing latin!). The catholic church is like Macdonalds, they are selling something that is processed to the point that it has no real worth, they charge a fortune for it, but people should really go home and make it themselves, they know what they like!
Also, i think many things are favoured or unfavoured scientifically, depending on what ideas are popular at the time. All aspects of science are just theories proven by a technique that is brought about to prove something in the first place. Perhaps there were space men in sumaria, but i dont hold much stock in goverments trying to cover up life from other planets, the amount of cash that gets spent on the space program, you would think that we would know about it by now! I actually think, spirituality wise, it is unimportant whether there are other people out there, it doesnt answer any of gods, or mans big questions. People need to realise you cant find the meanining of life, or ‘why’ we are alive by trying to figure out ‘how’ we are alive, they are two different questions!
Another thing to consider, is the idea of non linear time. We have this massive belief in our culture, and it rules everything, that there is a today, there was a yesterday, and there will be a tomorrow. In my opinion, time is a constant thing. It doesnt matter whether the world will end, you are here now, and really there is nothing but now. If you count backwards by whatever unit you choose, and try to organise events that way, it makes it possible to digest all that goes on in the world, but really, if we had no clocks, and no system for counting days, or a different system, say the one the incas used, they seem as though, from western understanding, that they somehow translate to one another, but the basis of the concepts do not translate directly. It’s not like converting your age into dog years. Basically what im saying is, people in sumaria may have lived thousands of years ago, but who’s to say what thousands of years are. And whos to say that there is a yesterday, a thousand years ago yesterday, or a billion years ago yesterday. All of our technical archealogical dating techniques are based on western linear time frames, so whos to say that something that lived ten thousand years ago was so far that there can be no possible interaction ever at all??
I think a prime example of times interaction is right here infront of us. We are all obsessed by a woman who lived 500 years ago, and a time that existed 500 years ago, but we all have a strong relationship with this time, to the point that we can discuss it’s ins and outs with little relay between those 500 years, there is now, and there is tudor england, and to we who are obsessed, that 500 hardly exists!