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George Boleyn, Lord Rochford
September 8, 2011
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Louise
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Thank you for that!

I too think George was a remarkable young man, which is why I find the portrayal of him in The Tudors so grotesque, particularly when I read on other sites the loathing for George which comes from how he was depicted in that programme. I find it very sad.  

As you say, we are all entitled to our own opinions. 

September 9, 2011
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Thanks for the replies. I asked the question because out of the 3 Boleyn siblings I found George to be the most complex. Mary was very much the woe is me damsel in distress while Anne was such a bitch that I was looking forward to her death until PG suddenly did a 180 and made me not want Anne to die.

PG presented George with plenty of internal struggle. There was the George that George thought he needed to present to the court – a tough, take no prisioner kind of personality. One pushed by his family and one that I think he struggled with, cause when he was able to be alone with his sisters he was a very different person. A very caring person. In fact, I think the only time we ever saw the real George were the times it was just Mary & George alone.

I didn't mind the homosexual angle PG took as I think it helped develop the fictional George's conflict with the real him and the court George. I am willing to admit though, it would have been nice for PG to state that the homosexual angle was based on Warnicke's work but it has since been discredited but she kept it in as an author's tool. The incest I just like to ignore or like to think it was all a misinterpreted assumption on Mary's behalf and that George just helped set Anne up with some random bloke to get pregnant.

Regardless of PG's liberal use of history the one thing she did well was George in that it was this character that made me want to know more about the Tudor world and discover the real George which ledd me here.

October 26, 2011
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I am currently stood on my soapbox now that the steam has stopped coming out of my ears. David Loades new book, ‘The Boleyns, The Rise and Fall of a Tudor Family’ has now been released.

Apparently George Boleyn’s interest in religious reform and the Gospel was limited to persuing his sister’s cause, rather than any independent actions of his own.

Apparently the Dean of Lichfield was George’s illegitimate son despite there being no evidence whatsoever to confirm that.

Apparently apart from George’s skill as a translator, his only other skill was diplomacy. Well yes, George was a diplomat. Perhaps Professor Loades would have been more impressed if George had been skilled at bricklaying! 

Presumably the eminent Professor Loades did not feel the necessity to do any research before inflicting his book on the public. It seems he hadn’t bothered reading James Carley’s brilliant article in ‘Illuminating the Book’ before coming up with his sweeping statement regarding George’s religion. Presumably he hadn’t read in detail George’s translations, his dedication to Anne or his scaffold speech either? 

Likewise Loades seems to have forgotten George was a politician as well as a diplomat and that it was George who Henry sent to argue the case for supremacy at Convocation. Perhaps Loades also forgot that George was Lord Warden of the Cinque Ports. Maybe he didn’t feel the necessity to explore George’s influence in the Reformation Parliament, his reputation as a poet to equal Wyatt, or his skill at sport, which can be seen from the contents of the Privy Purse Expenses.

To make sweeping statements and fail to back them up with any proper research is poor. If you go to the trouble of writing about someone then at least do them the courtesy of actually taking the time to research them properly, or else it just looks like a money making excerise.

I’m sorry for the rant, but I am so angry at the moment, and also very disappointed in an historian who I admire and who I think has let the Boleyns down by publishing a rushed job. 

  

October 26, 2011
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I guess this is what happens when authors see George as an appendage to the family as opposed to an individual. Maybe if PG wrote that George slept with Henry we would be getting large scale bios on George every 6 months. I have downloaded your book on George Louise (thanks for making it available) and while I haven't read through it as a book and just skimmed, it shows that George's life is warranted a full book, not just as an afterthought.

Please don't take this the wrong way, but I think it is time that a big name historian actually writes a bio on George. As I've said before if Mary can have mutiple books, than surely George can have one from a 'respected' historian.

October 26, 2011
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Bill1978 said:

Please don’t take this the wrong way, but I think it is time that a big name historian actually writes a bio on George. As I’ve said before if Mary can have mutiple books, than surely George can have one from a ‘respected’ historian.

 

 

I completely agree with you, Bill. Although I did a huge amount of research, I don't have the talent to really do George the justice he deserves. I would love a 'proper and respected' (so I don't mean you, Weir) historian to write a bio on George. With the best will in the world my effort isn't going to raise the general publics attitude towards George. It will take a known historian to do that. 

December 28, 2011
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I'm hoping to get my book on the Boleyn published, hopefully in 2013, and am determined to do the Boleyn family justice. I completely agree with you, Louise, about George, he was an amazing man and was clearly valued by Henry VIII. To become an ambassador at a relatively young age shows that he was intelligent, skilled at diplomacy, excellent at French and trusted by the King. I find it a fascinating character and feel the same way about Thomas too, I'm going to enjoy telling their stories.

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December 28, 2011
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Claire, I was determined to do George justice too. The difference between us is that whilst I failed in my primary objective I have ever confidence that you will succeed. xx

December 28, 2011
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Don't be silly, your work on him is amazing and has been such a help to me, the Boleyns would be proud of you! You have not failed!

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December 28, 2011
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Louise said:

Claire, I was determined to do George justice too. The difference between us is that whilst I failed in my primary objective I have ever confidence that you will succeed. xx

Louise,

I have read your book about George and you have to stop putting yourself down about it.  You certainly have not failed. If your primary objective was to educate people about the real George Boleyn, you have definitely succeeded. I learned so much from your writings.  You should be very proud of what you have accomplished. 

December 28, 2011
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Thank you, Sharon and Claire.

December 29, 2011
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Claire said:

I'm hoping to get my book on the Boleyn published, hopefully in 2013, and am determined to do the Boleyn family justice. I completely agree with you, Louise, about George, he was an amazing man and was clearly valued by Henry VIII. To become an ambassador at a relatively young age shows that he was intelligent, skilled at diplomacy, excellent at French and trusted by the King. I find it a fascinating character and feel the same way about Thomas too, I'm going to enjoy telling their stories.

Cool news, Claire.

 

Poor George always seems to get overlooked even though he was , for the time anyway, supposed to be one that all the family's hopes were vested in. And yet his sisters got all the glory in history's viewpoint.

 

It would be nice to see a complete portait of him rather than the olde ” Incestious c*ckolder”

It's always bunnies.

December 29, 2011
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It would be nice to see a complete portait of him rather than the olde ” Incestious c*ckolder”

What? There is more to the man that just that? Wink

December 29, 2011
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Bill1978 said:

It would be nice to see a complete portait of him rather than the olde ” Incestious c*ckolder”

What? There is more to the man that just that? Wink

Well, he *could* be gay…..or a wife-beater…or a horse-molester…..possibly a super-powered alien from a more highly advanced civilisation. Perhaps he's a costumed super-hero hidden behind the mild mannered news reporter…

It's always bunnies.

December 30, 2011
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Don't forget that he was also a rapist (naughty George). And if you rememebr your film version of TOBG he died on the scaffold like a cowardly little girl. Aaaargh, where's my medication?

December 30, 2011
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At least he didn't wet himself à la Catherine Howard!

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December 30, 2011
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Louise said:

Don't forget that he was also a rapist (naughty George). And if you rememebr your film version of TOBG he died on the scaffold like a cowardly little girl. Aaaargh, where's my medication?

Yet another good reason why I'm not going to be watching any version of TOBG.

It's always bunnies.

December 31, 2011
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George the rapist comes thanks to 'The Tudors', a complete character assasination, which is why I can't bring myself to watch it.

Oh no, Claire! You do realise that the next fictional installment of George will portray him incontinent with fear on the scaffold. Why, why!!!

February 20, 2012
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I've recently read comments on other sites as follows:-

“The Tudors made me really hate George Boleyn”

“I cheered when George Boleyn's head came off”

 

Does anyone here believe George was actually as portrayed on The Tudors and/or were you put off him because of the portrayal?

I'm probably just needing a bit of gentle reasurance because I currently feel like banging my head against something hard and pointy!   

February 20, 2012
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Ah, Louise, 

I love George.   I don't know why he is always portrayed as such a wretch.  It can be so discouraging.  Showbiz…sleeze sells.   Nice big {{{hugs}}} to you.  No headbanging on pointy objects, please!  Keep educating them on George's wonderful accomplishments.  Nobody can do that better than you.  Smile

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Thank you Sharon! You have ensured that I will sleep tonight without grinding my teeth down to the gums! xx

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