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Just a theory
April 20, 2010
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Lexy
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I just had an idea for an alternate history fiction book ( everyody on the site know my passion for “what if…”), and I would like to know what you think about it.

The main point of it is that Arthur Prince of Wales doesn't die from sweating sickness, thanks to a servant of one of Katherine's remaining Spaniard retinue, a converted Morisco ( Mores were the most skillful doctors of this time); the healing result in the discovering that Arthur suffered in fact from poisoning, and that the one ordering it is Margaret Beaufort, thinking her elder grandson does't fit her vision of kingship. I think it's like her: she was a ruthless matriarch who wanted averything being the way she wanted it to be, and I've heard that historians believe that she could have her part in the murder of the princes in the Tower. She was also fond of Henry. Since Arthur's peronnality and beliefs are almost unknown, I've imagined him as both believing in the knightly ideal (the reason I give for not consumming his wedding with Katherine is that in courtly tradition the lover must offer the Sword of Assag to his lady and endure trials until she doesn't prevent him from touching her with the so called sword) and longing for a kingdom founded on justice and prosperity for everyone. This ideal makes him reconsider Richard III, who reformed justice as you know, and made the happiness of his people his priority; then he causes Margaret's rage, and the failing of her plan lead to another civil war.

So, do you think it's worth writing and continuing?

April 20, 2010
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Hmm I think that sounds interesting! I often wonder about things like this in history, like “what would've happened if this HADN'T happened?….”  So I think it's a good idea to try and see what you can do with it. Smile

April 20, 2010
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Thank you, Hannah!Smile

December 24, 2010
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Brilliant. What a great idea! I write historical fiction and am currently writing my 16th Century alternate female-dominated monarchy. I think Margaret Beaufort probably did have something to do with the death of the Princes. And she did always favour Henry… I love the idea, definately keep it up! What word length will you aim for? I've done 75000 in about 6 months (I'm only twelve, so homework and school often get in the way!) and I've got plently of plot left, so I've found alternate history a great genre which I'd like to carry on with. Have you written any others? Sounds like you've got some great ideas! Well done Smile

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May 10, 2012
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Lexy said

I just had an idea for an alternate history fiction book ( everyody on the site know my passion for “what if…”), and I would like to know what you think about it.

The main point of it is that Arthur Prince of Wales doesn’t die from sweating sickness, thanks to a servant of one of Katherine’s remaining Spaniard retinue, a converted Morisco ( Mores were the most skillful doctors of this time); the healing result in the discovering that Arthur suffered in fact from poisoning, and that the one ordering it is Margaret Beaufort, thinking her elder grandson does’t fit her vision of kingship. I think it’s like her: she was a ruthless matriarch who wanted averything being the way she wanted it to be, and I’ve heard that historians believe that she could have her part in the murder of the princes in the Tower. She was also fond of Henry. Since Arthur’s peronnality and beliefs are almost unknown, I’ve imagined him as both believing in the knightly ideal (the reason I give for not consumming his wedding with Katherine is that in courtly tradition the lover must offer the Sword of Assag to his lady and endure trials until she doesn’t prevent him from touching her with the so called sword) and longing for a kingdom founded on justice and prosperity for everyone. This ideal makes him reconsider Richard III, who reformed justice as you know, and made the happiness of his people his priority; then he causes Margaret’s rage, and the failing of her plan lead to another civil war.

So, do you think it’s worth writing and continuing?

Although this post is initially about an idea for a book, I found it quite intriquing.

In it Lexy metions about M.B possibly poisoning Arthur because she feels he doesn’t quite hit the mark where a Prince of Wales or as a protential King.
Many years ago I actually sort of thought along the same lines as Lexy. I thought that rather then Arthur being a victim of the times where illness was concerned he was possibly murdered, by his father Henry 7th. Ok so I can see a lot of you sharpening up the points in your Iron Maidens and writing out your warrants for my length of time in the Iron Maidens. But please bear with me..
Arthur was married to KOA whether or not in the actual sence or just in name only is still being debated today, (Did they have sex or not) but either way they were married.
M.B could claim her decent from John of Gaunt, Via Katherine Swynford. As we know John of Gaunt’s second wife was Constance of Castille, at that tlme Castille was going through some sort of royal strife and John of Gaunt made an unsuccessful challenge for Castille’s throne in right of his wife. As Isabella was now Queen of Castille is it wholly possible that Henry 7th tried to do the same thing although through KOA? Although Salic law existed in other country’s Isabella was excepted as Queen of Castille basically because of her husband although taking Ferdinand out of the equation that left Castille open to debate on whether Isabella was the right choice as monarch. Could the marriage between Arthur and KOA have more to do with it than just an alliance between Spain and England? Was Henry kind of playing with the idea of making Arthur King of Castille as well as England or was his plan to make Arthur King of Castille and Henry King of England.
England was just a small and insignifient dot on the landscape when Henry 7th won Bosworth after all, how better then to get England up in people’s faces than to do something like this.
M.B was an ambitious woman and although Elizabeth of York was Queen. M.B like the sound of her own trumpet and was al but Queen at court, she was the one who basically told the rest of the court how many times they could break wind in one day.
If M.B was involved somewhere along the line with the death of the Princes in the tower I don’t believe that she would have any qualms when it came to poisoning either Arthur or KOA if she felt that they weren’t living up to her expectations as prospective King and Queen.The fact that Arthur died and KOA lived is irrevellant, I feel in her eyes. How did M.B and KOA get along? were they freinds or did they have a complete dislike to each other and showed it too? How did M.B get along with Arthur? Did she see him as a disappointment? Arthur wasn’t strong in any sence of the word, but I think he would have perhaps made a fairly good King, although I think he would have also been dictated to by M.B a lot too, which would perhaps make him a little unpopular. But fair’s fair’s on the whole I think his reign would have been generally peaceful.

Semper Fidelis, quod sum quod

May 11, 2012
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Boleyn said

Ok so I can see a lot of you sharpening up the points in your Iron Maidens and writing out your warrants for my length of time in the Iron Maidens.

nah….I’ll give you the choice of listening to Iron Maiden or listening to Justin Beiber….

It's always bunnies.

May 11, 2012
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haha
‘exquisite’ and ‘torture’ but which is which???

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May 11, 2012
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my daughters would say JB is the torture…….

eta 14 & 10 yrs old

It's always bunnies.

May 11, 2012
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You have two clever girls there Laugh

Let us show them that they are hares and foxes trying to rule over dogs and wolves - Boudica addressing the tribes Circa AD60

May 11, 2012
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But some kids love this JB guy, personally he’s just like any 2 bit wannabe and he’ll go the same way as them too.
He’ll make a bit of money, and end his days working in some serving Route 66 cafe or pumping gas in Murco.

I love Iron Maiden the group that is..

Semper Fidelis, quod sum quod

May 11, 2012
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HA! Very intelligent girls, Anyanka. Give me Iron Maiden anyday!

May 11, 2012
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got to be added….I’ve got a theory video from Buffy the Vampire Slayer

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v…..M3DsRIK_ZU

It's always bunnies.

May 11, 2012
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Ha!
And what’s with all the carrots anyway? It must be bunnies……….It’s always bunnies!
Thank you Anyanka. I forgot about this one. Loved this show.

May 11, 2012
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Ha!
And what’s with all the carrots anyway? It must be bunnies……….It’s always bunnies!
Thank you Anyanka. I forgot about this one. Loved this show.

May 11, 2012
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sorry about that. Security certificate problem interferrence

May 12, 2012
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I don’t know any Iron Maiden songs but Justin Beiber just creeps me out. Dunno why but he reminds me of my old Ken doll…

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