I agree, Louise.
George was on the losing side of history, and his reputation was etched by his victors. It is endlessly frusturating that people, like Weir, continue to exploit and purport the mythologies surrounding him.
It seems Wyatt became the golden boy in some way. His poetry is still read and well-known, and there remains an air of romance surrounding his feelings for Anne. I guess it is because he immortalised her in some way, through his poetry. Had he died as one of her lovers, I think his poetry would have been destroyed, or used as political propoganda (a way to prove his guilt).
I hope that, if George was freed, he would find happiness and contentment in life. He would have children to carry on his name, his poetry would be well regarded, and still talked about today. I am not sure if he would have been welcomed back to court, or that he’d even want to be there.

Louise said

Sharon, Nicholas Harpsfield (you can read his ‘Pretend Divorce of Henry VIII’ online) tells a tale of Wyatt going to the King and warning him not to marry Anne because he had already known her carnally. This was supposed to have been around 1530. Harpsfield apparently got the story from a merchant who had been told the story from men ‘who would know the truth’. In other words the story was third hand. Harpsfield, like Sanders, was a catholic apologist thought to have been writing in the time of Mary I. He paint Anne as the devil incarnate.
I’m sceptical of the truth of this because despite the apparent confession that he had slept with the love of Henry’s life Wyatt remained in good favour and Henry still married Anne. The story was expanded in the Spanish Chronicle who had Wyatt writing to the court from prison in May 1536 reminding Henry of their earlier conversation. I have to say that I take it all with a pinch of salt.
However…yeah!!! George was definitely the better man, and I’m sure his poetry was appropriated by other people who took the credit for it.
Duchess, I feel the same. Weir’s view of all the Boleyns drives me completely mad.

Thanks Louise. I should have looked it up before I wrote that.
Boleyn, I think that was all Wyatt. I don’t believe he was talked into doing it by anyone. Maybe Wyatt didn’t realize how serious Henry was about Anne until that little fiasco. It still doesn’t change my mind about him.

Boleyn said

Did thomas perhaps think that if he had succeeded in destroying Anne and Henry’s relationship, that she would go running to him for tea, sympathy and a few chocolate biscuits throw in?
I just can fathom out what he was trying to do or what he hoped to acheive he had succeeded? Certainly I think he would have been banished at the very least from court and Anne would have hated him, so he wouldn’t have gained anything by it. As Anne still wouldn’t have been his so to speak.

I’ve always got that impression to..be my mistress rather than Henry’s..and then the chain and bowling story.doesn’t seem plausible to me.

Personally..I think had Anne been the type to sleep around, she’d have consumated her union with Percy since he was in a position to offer her an honourable marriage rather than Wyatt or Henry.

Another off the latch idea of mine concerning Wyatt’s bizarre behaviour towards the whole Henry/Anne situation coming up folks. Don’t you just love it when I do this.. LOL
Was it just possible that that Wyatt was trying to protect Anne? Even if it was a very strange sort of protection. After all Henry’s track record with mistresses was very confusing, (for want of a better word). A woman who was his dearest love etc, with all the hearts and flowers, one day may well find herself in the tower the next day. Henry was very fickle where love was concerned, and although Henry made a big issue with wanting Anne all to himself I don’t think he really loved her as she did him.
Henry’s first and only love had always been himself, and I think the reason to why he made a big show in divorcing K.O.A, destroying the Church, telling the Pope to get stuffed and giving him the old 2 fingered salute, was to prove to the world that he could do exactly what he wanted and nobody was going to tell him different. Kind of like a big kid throwing a temper tantrum. Henry always maintained that he did everything he did for the love of Anne. NO he didn’t he did it for the love of himself.
Perhaps Wyatt ould see what was going to happen to Anne if Henry continued with his behaviour, and felt that Anne needed protecting from him, even if it was at the cost of his own life?
Now then Sharon you can oil up your rack, and Anyanka can sharpen the points on your iron maiden. LOL I wonder if the Iron maiden was invented as a rudimenty form of accupuncture?

Sharon that is is true, but perhaps Wyatt was also thinking that he could have a little bit of fun with her himself before casting her off.
Whatever Wyatt was up to he was playing a very dangerous game and it’s one that could have quite easily cost him his head, even before Anne’s murder. Wyatt was arrested in 1536 and if not actually charged with having intercourse with Anne before her marriage to Henry was at least strongly suspected of it, but I think I’m right in saying that it was Cromwell who saved who saved his neck?

Wyatt must have had a deep facination for Anne as his son followed in his fathers footsteps by holding Elizabeth in high esteem and ultimetly he paid for his devotion to Anne’s memory and to Elizabeth with his own life.
Should we feel some sympathy for Wyatt? actually no I’m sorry but I feel the bloke was a scheming bastard. He hoped that if he could destroy Anne’s credibilty in Henry’s eyes that he could have her to himself and that because of what he done to destroy her credibilty she would be considered unmarriageble in the higher echelons of the court circles and once he had had his fill of her would toss her away like a worn out shoe.

There could have been another reason to why Wyatt was added to the list of suspects. It was attempt to blacken Anne even further then she had been blackened. The Percy pre-contract get out of jail free card hadn’t worked. She had been accused of incest and adultery but there will still a lot of people who believed her to be innocent (She was innocent 100%) so to make sure that Henry got the 100% sympathy vote, he arrested Wyatt to say that Anne had always lived a shameful and disolute life, and she had brought her lover to court with her etc..That’s my opinion to it anyway. There has to be a touch of the old deja vu here as poor K.H was accused of doing much the same thing, poor Derham was tortured to get the truth, although he probably was telling the truth. just as Mark Smeaton was tortured to get him to say what they wanted to hear.

Thank you Louise, I actually wasn’t to sure if Wyatt was at court before or had come to court with Anne, so thank you for that. But even so I still feel it’s possible that Henry might have thought that Wyatt may have had a rumble with Anne. Maybe duringa time that she had absented herself from the court to Hever.

I agree Bill . Call it woman’s intruition if you like, but I kind of get the impression that Wyatt was a snake in the grass. I think he was certainly jealous of Lard arse, although he did stay true to him, but I think that was more a case of self preservation. If Cromell hadn’t have made a deal or somehow bought Wyatt a get of jail free card I think he would have been executed along with Anne and the rest. I agree that George was the far better man. I like George I think he would of been a lot fun to be around.