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August 5, 2012
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Olga
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Louise! I just found another book for my wishlist, the James P. Carley book. Great article, as usual. I’ve just spent a while reading some of the older ones on George I hadn’t read before.
I’m reading the Mistresses of Henry VIII by Kelly Hart at the moment and she just gave Stafford’s birth-date as 1550.

August 5, 2012
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Olga I think that must be a misprint. If it isn’t, then William would go down in history as the youngest ever father ever. As he had a son who was also called William in 1554, from his 2nd wife Dorothy Stafford, who was a distant cousin to him.
Clare/Louise Totally agree about George and Anne. George saw Anne as the centre of his world and vice versa, it was almost as if they were one person and neither of them felt whole unless they were together. I rather like to think if only one of them had died the other would shortly follow of a broken heart. George was as unique as Anne but it’s so frustrating that we know so little about him.. As I said in one of prior postings I see George as a happy go lucky sort of chap who was fun to be with.

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August 5, 2012
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Olga said

Louise! I just found another book for my wishlist, the James P. Carley book. Great article, as usual. I’ve just spent a while reading some of the older ones on George I hadn’t read before.
I’m reading the Mistresses of Henry VIII by Kelly Hart at the moment and she just gave Stafford’s birth-date as 1550.

I love James Carley. He made me realise that my love of George Boleyn was completely justified. He’s also a very nice man who’s prepared to give time and advice to to people who need it.

August 5, 2012
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Louise said

Hi Olga,
The dedication from George to Anne was at the front of a religious translation he did for her. I wrote about it in an article on George’s religion if you want to check it out. It’s beautiful and always makes me go all sniffy. He may have been Anne’s beloved brother, but the dedication shows his feelings towards her were reciprocated. He clearly adored her.

Louise,
I’d really like to read your article. Where would I find it?

August 5, 2012
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Oops sorry that was a typo Embarassed 1500, not 1550.

August 6, 2012
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Janet said

Louise said

Hi Olga,
The dedication from George to Anne was at the front of a religious translation he did for her. I wrote about it in an article on George’s religion if you want to check it out. It’s beautiful and always makes me go all sniffy. He may have been Anne’s beloved brother, but the dedication shows his feelings towards her were reciprocated. He clearly adored her.

Louise,
I’d really like to read your article. Where would I find it?

If you go into George Boleyn it’s about three or four pages in.

August 9, 2012
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Claire Louise, I’ve just tore a strip off some idiot who said he was a historian, who said he had proof that showed George Boleyn didn’t exist.. Yeah I can see the smoke comming out of your ears from here LOL. I wasn’t the only one who ground his backside into dogmeat. For some reason he disappeared I don’t know why have you got any ideas?

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Claire Louise, I’ve just tore a strip off some idiot who said he was a historian, who said he had proof that showed George Boleyn didn’t exist.. Yeah I can see the smoke comming out of your ears from here LOL. I wasn’t the only one who ground his backside into dogmeat. For some reason he disappeared I don’t know why have you got any ideas?

Did this strange and rather mad person give any reasoning behind his leap of imagination?

August 9, 2012
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I wonder how you can PROVE that someone never existed?
Weird people out there…..Confused

Let us show them that they are hares and foxes trying to rule over dogs and wolves - Boudica addressing the tribes Circa AD60

August 9, 2012
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Louise said

Boleyn said

Claire Louise, I’ve just tore a strip off some idiot who said he was a historian, who said he had proof that showed George Boleyn didn’t exist.. Yeah I can see the smoke comming out of your ears from here LOL. I wasn’t the only one who ground his backside into dogmeat. For some reason he disappeared I don’t know why have you got any ideas?

Did this strange and rather mad person give any reasoning behind his leap of imagination?

Nope, but I can guess it would be a bit difficult when he’s obvisously hasn’t got a brain, in the first place..

Semper Fidelis, quod sum quod

August 9, 2012
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Olga said

I just finished another book on her (Wilkinson’s) and she made mention of how Anne wouldn’t let anyone but her sister attend her after her miscarriage (pg 159) so I imagine Anne wanted her sister there. I’ve always imagined they had a relatively normal relationship until their falling out, they were close in age and both at court for many years together, and if the above is true it shows they were close. No woman would want someone she didn’t love or trust around her after such a tragedy.

Olga,
I am just getting to the end of Wilkinson’s, Mary Boleyn. The Catholic French Bishop of Faenza, Rudolph Pio, who was in France at the time, said Anne’s pregnancy wasn’t real, that she faked the pregnancy and the miscarriage, and that Mary helped her pull it off. (Ruining reputations.) Wilkinson takes this as a fact to say that Mary was at court in January, ’36. If Pio is the only person to have said this, and he was in France at the time, I hold his statements to be a little suspect. If by chance he has any of this right, and he had heard a sister was with her when she miscarried the last babe, it might have been Jane.

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Then who was that guy Anne Boleyn was accused of committing incest with?

August 9, 2012
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Then who was that guy Anne Boleyn was accused of committing incest with?

Maybe Weir’s right and Henry and/or Thomas Boleyn junior survived to adulthood. Alternatively, when the incest charge was brought it was even more nebulous than any of us have previously considered! Alternatively……oh, lets not go there!

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Maggyann said

I wonder how you can PROVE that someone never existed?
Weird people out there…..Confused

It’s almost impossible to prove a negative. Historical fiction writers have been living off that cunundrum for donkeys years.

August 10, 2012
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Sharon said
Olga,
I am just getting to the end of Wilkinson’s, Mary Boleyn. The Catholic French Bishop of Faenza, Rudolph Pio, who was in France at the time, said Anne’s pregnancy wasn’t real, that she faked the pregnancy and the miscarriage, and that Mary helped her pull it off. (Ruining reputations.) Wilkinson takes this as a fact to say that Mary was at court in January, ’36. If Pio is the only person to have said this, and he was in France at the time, I hold his statements to be a little suspect. If by chance he has any of this right, and he had heard a sister was with her when she miscarried the last babe, it might have been Jane.

Argh. You’re right Sharon. The plot thickens. I just finished Kelly Hart’s book on Henry’s Mistresses which didn’t shed any more light on Mary at all. I might read Weir’s book again.
Of course if George didn’t exist there was no Jane either Laugh

August 10, 2012
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Anne blamed Norfolk for her miscarriage in 1536, I find it very difficult to believe that Anne would lie about something like this.. She knew that Henry was desperate for a male heir and she also knew her time was running out. Henry had more or less made it clear to her fail this time and you are a goner. There is also the matter of COA, although she was an inconvience to both Anne and Henry she was also their protector. Anne, was safe all the while COA lived and breathed with or without a son, if Henry turfed her out before COA died, theorically he could then say “I was wrong to put COA aside, I’ll take her back” happy families once more and the church restored to the Pope.
I know chances of that happening would be out of the question, but who knows what was going on in his head.
For Henry, COA was still considered his wife among his Catholic subjects and of course in Rome too, so COA’s nephew wouldn’t take up arms against Henry as that would mean going against his Aunt and the Catholic church and maybe getting himself excommunicated in the process. Whatever else the Holy Roman Emperor was I feel he was a devoted family man and COA was family after all. COA too wouldn’t stand against the man who she still considered her husband..
When COA died, although Henry alledgely said “Thank God we are finally free of any threat of war” that was actually very untrue, now that COA was dead the Holy Roman Emperor could have quite easily decided it was time to stand up for the Catholic Church and restore order from the choas called England. If Henry doesn’t return England back to the true faith he’ll have to go and Mary his only true heir will rule instead.
Anne’s situation upon COA’s death became almost a nightmare, she knew that Henry’s eye had started to wonder and that her enemies were waiting to pounce on her. Although she had freinds they wouldn’t be a lot of use to her and weren’t a lot of use to her when the sword of Damocles was hovering above her head. Her only saving grace would be a healthy male child. Her miscarriage sealed her fate, Damocles’s sword fell and Anne lost her head.
I’ve read a few books concerning Anne’s last miscarriage, some say her uncle Norfolk and her Mother was with her and her mother after showing the child to Norfolk wrapped it up and threw it on the fire, Norfolk was the one who reported Anne’s miscarriage to Henry and embellised the truth by telling Henry that the child was a deformed monster. Others say there was a midwife with her who took the child to Henry who saw it was a deformed monster. I don’t think for one minute the child was deformed it was just a stillbirth.
I’ve also heard after Henry had taken a tumble and wouldn’t wake up, and the doctors had said that they had done all they could, but it was in God’s hands to whether he lived or died. When Anne was told this she was in a state of shock, (That I can believe as he was her only protection, against the vultures waiting to tear her apart without him she would be soon given the bums rush) Anne was given a posset to help calm her frayed nerves, however this posset contained Hemlock or Mandrake which indused her to miscarry. (Don’t slam me please) 🙂
I’d like to think Mary was with her despite all the upset Mary had caused Anne by marrying W.S. Anne did love her sister, although I don’t think she entirely forgave her for marrying W.S.

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I said on the topic that George Boleyn was the guardian of Edward Stafford. Just to let everyone know I am very very silly and that I obviously meant to say Edmund Sheffield. I sometimes think I’m going mad!!

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